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03-21-2012 , 10:47 AM
1/3 effective stacks are varied.

V1 calls too much oop, bets 100% of time when checked to and overpays for draws. Has led on paired boards oop 3/3. Stack 150

V2 not that important is ai pre. Stack 35. Utg1

Hero young internet lag type. Tonight playing snug showing nuts on 3 showdowns when pots got big. Mp 1 stack 600

V3 the wildcard. Plays 85-90% of hands pre will float almost 100% of time. Is passive on flops unless he was preflop raiser. Chases straighten and Flushes to the max. Will bet missed draws and low pairs on river. Covers

V2 calls, hero raises to 20 with 77. V3 calls V1 calls V2 raises to 35 allin. Everyone calls.

Pot 140
10 7 5 with 2 diamonds.

Bb checks, we have set on a board that should hit villains ranges but keep in mind the side pot is dry. What is the max value line with betsizing.

I'll post my line later.

Thanks
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03-21-2012 , 11:11 AM
You have the second nuts right now and probably have the player that's all in crushed. I bet about 110 here and charge the other players to draw.
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03-21-2012 , 12:03 PM
FWIW, I probably just overlimp preflop (encouraging more people to come along for us to flop a set against and stack).

I'd probably just bet out here (a large amount).

Do V1 and V2 have position on us?

By the sounds of it, V2 isn't going to stab at this flop (he's passive unless he was the preflop aggressor).

So I'm guessing that you're hoping V1 might stab at it if it's checked to him? But does he stab at large multiway raised pot, or is it just a little stab at orphaned limped pots? Any "stab" he makes at it will be at a protected pot for his whole stack (he only has $115 left in a $140 pot). He's not going to bet at it.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-21-2012 , 12:16 PM
Seems like V3 is most important consideration in that he covers and floats 100%. I'd make a big bet on this flop if he always stays with you. But I don't know what position he's in.
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03-21-2012 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
FWIW, I probably just overlimp preflop (encouraging more people to come along for us to flop a set against and stack).

I'd probably just bet out here (a large amount).

Do V1 and V2 have position on us?

By the sounds of it, V2 isn't going to stab at this flop (he's passive unless he was the preflop aggressor).

So I'm guessing that you're hoping V1 might stab at it if it's checked to him? But does he stab at large multiway raised pot, or is it just a little stab at orphaned limped pots? Any "stab" he makes at it will be at a protected pot for his whole stack (he only has $115 left in a $140 pot). He's not going to bet at it.

GcluelessNLnoobG
V1 is oop in bb, V3 is ip. V1s stabs are usually 1/2 pot or an even 100. I have seen both.

V3 can literally have anything. I posted a hand a few weeks ago about being super deep where he floated 2x and overshoved when he hit a runner runner wheel-I folded to the shove with top 2. I can't link the thread from my phone.
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03-21-2012 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fold4once
Seems like V3 is most important consideration in that he covers and floats 100%. I'd make a big bet on this flop if he always stays with you. But I don't know what position he's in.
V3 has position on everyone. I have position on 1 and 2
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03-21-2012 , 12:31 PM
If V3 likes to float then let him float. I usually don't like fooling around this deepish, so if V3 likes to float I'd probably pot the flop so I can shove the turn.
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03-21-2012 , 01:06 PM
Just to be clear I'm never checking the flop, just a question of how much is optimal given reads, texture?
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03-21-2012 , 01:06 PM
Why not 4betting to $150 preflop?

As played, I would bet $100 otf.
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03-21-2012 , 01:33 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...river-1169465/

Here is other thread with v3.


I can flip for a smallish pot with v2 or try to hit and play a big pot.

Also if v3 calls (50-60% chance)then I bloated pot oop and can never bluff him, so I win with the best hand only. 77is unlikely to improve.
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