so playing live last night (parx bensalem, pa) this happened. I was just starting to go on a heater after about an hour at the table, but let me know what you think plz

in mid position i get 45c, 15 raise to me, i call, 1 other caller, 3 to the flop.

flop is 4h 5h 6s. orig raiser bets 20, i raise to 45, guy behind me goes all in for about 190. orig better calls.

i dont tank too hard, but lay it down. right move or donk?

i figure im dead to a set or flopped straight.

4d turn
2s river

orig raiser with a6 of h takes it down, other guy mucks. wasn't there long enough to have a read on either of them....blah

Yeah just fold unless you got info both guys are complete tards. Other guy no doubt had a combo darw of some kind so although you would've won this hand you weren't favourite on the flop and you can be in much worse shape if one of them has a set(i.e . darwing dead!).

Winner of hand had 5 outs to improve and any heart/8/3/7 coulve completed losing guy's hand.

your raise OTF wayyy to small $70 at least
as played good fold you run into a set or a made straight or a better 2pair all to often.

Also how are you ever dead to a flopped straight?

Also mabye fold pre? seems nitty but small SC rearely end up good compared to hands like TJs or 89s assuming this is 2/4 because if its 1/2 then fold pre 100% $15 raise is huge.

Fold pre esecially since this sounds like a 1/2 game you are in? And raise the flop as ^^ said to a larger amount. Results oriented fold here. As played, I would fold too as we are sometimes crushed, or marginally ahead. If we made it more on the flop it may have to be a call.

well obv not dead, but way behind to the straight

15 to 20 preflop is avg for this 1/2 game
2 hours later after seeing how the table played it woulda been a shove for about 360

Well in that case, fold 45 preflfop everytime. That is wayyy too big of a raise given you are first to act, in relation to stack sizes.

yeh small SC dont play well to 7xBB PFR in live. Even when you hit your pair its almost never good, your always scared when you hit your flush so mostly betting for thin value and they make alot of bumend straights that get done by higher straights.

Even Daniel Negranu has said this yep the king of small SC, I forget which videos its in sadly.

but yeh fold pre always for 7x BB fit or fold is bad poker imo...

That is awesome. How can I tell if I'm at the start of one of these?

Loads of things missing in OP, id this is 1/2 and somebody else has raised it is an easy fold. If you are raising all these hands your raise sizing should be smaller.

you wait until you leave the room up 4x your buyiin and post about it on the internet the next day, then you know if you were on a heater or not, duh

Don't know how all of you are telling op that this was good fold.


If this is 1/2 then you're ahead of most ranges.

What? The exact opposite is true..people play with friggin anything at 1/2. He's against a reraise and call with a flush-straight heavy board. This is snapfold territory.

This thread title sounded way better than the actual thread.

Agree with the guys saying fold pre. Even though it's tempting when you're on a heater and you know, you just know, everyone else is going to limp, a fold is still good here.

As played, I think raising more is also good, but obv in this specific spot it doesn't change anything since flush draw is not afraid of a straight (typical 1/2 thinking) and they hope to make everyone who doesn't have a straight fold, which should have worked. Sorry fuxxnuts I think fold is good here too without better reads.

Ha, I lol'ed.

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I was just starting to go on a heater and then THIS damn hand came up ahhhahah thanks OP made my hour

Fold pre and it's not close

Calling with weak hands like this is burning money on the long run...plus you're not even in good position

If you really want to play the hand, 3bet it

i agree with folding 45c pre, tho i gota say in some casino, live 1/2 it is pretty standard to raise to 10 or 15$ preflop. since the casino doesn't have 2/3 or 2/5, if everyone has a decently big stack, every hand is a raise to 10-15$ preflop. so i can see why OP called with 45c

I'm not liking a flat call with 54s pre-flop, especially in MP against what was obviously and EP raise. If you were deep and hand a good read on the original raiser then maximize the pressure in position and go for the 3-bet but that's only with a good read and a lot of past history with your opponent. Just dump it.

15 pre is pretty cheap for the 1/2 here with the 300 max buy, just like most live action in my experience, and more often than not it will get 3bet to 40 - 50

too many ppl who played online think anything other than 3xbb to open is huge?

The fact that 7.5 X is standard doesn't mean our calling range should be the same as if it was 3x and that was standard.

In good games (ie ones with terrible players) it is our luxury to make huge value raises (especially pre) becasue people still call with crap hands.

Just because a standard open is $15-$20 doesn't mean it's ok to play this hand.

-fold preflop
-fold flop, your either slightly ahead of a big draw like Ah6h or your way behind

pot is @$45 PF, and w/ $190(?) behind and the stack to pot ratio is @4:1, which is a horribad situation for you with 45. sure, i would rather call a raise with your hand than like KJ, but with these stack sizes, it's simply not profitable. you need to be wayyyy deeper. even then, its meh.
so you stuck your neck out, and hit your hand. in a 1/2 game i dont know if i could fold this knowing that they are spazzing, and overplaying 88 a lot. ya, they could show up w/ 23 but they prolly dont play like you, and in thier minds they arent repping the str8, and arent aware what strength they are showing, because if they are donks, relative hand values, and respect for the board and the action arent to big a part of their aresenal.

Fold preflop.

As played, raise more on the turn. Make it $60, not $45.
Either way, I'm calling the all-in