I dont post here much but this was so bizarre i was just confused.

hero: 27 yr old male. i play in this charity room once in a while. $220
villian: 40 ish yr old male seems kind of country. no history with me. covers.

blinds 1/2

im UTG with AJ and raise to $8. i know its small for a live 1/2 game, but this is a pretty tight table and 15 dollar raises dont get much action. villian calls out of BB. 4 players see flop total

flop: $33

J53

villian leads out for 20. i raise to 50. folds to villain who gives a speech about 'oh man you got there already? i have two pair you wanna check it down? no bull shyt man i have 5 3...' im like no theres no way in balls im gonna check this hand down. then he makes it $110 total

what do??

i would just play it as if i didnt even hear him since theres no telling if hes lying or telling the truth

i dont think we're ever getting him to fold a better hand here. he'll likely just call with his flushes, sets, 2 pair if hes telling the truth and fold his KJ/QJ which im not sure he'd even 3b in the first place.

i think calling and evaluating river is best here.

Flat flop. "Tight Table", villain donks out into 4handed mono flop.

flatting lets him continue with worse J's, perhaps others with worse spades, and lets you draw out to the nuts in case he has you outflopped.

I hate the loose rules in most charity rooms. Check it down, straddle from anywhere to any amount, just wanna split now, ugh gross.

About the hand though.

Flat his first bet evaluate the turn.

As Played:

Calling his raise is ok because you have pretty good odds. If he does have that hand then you have 14 outs. Almost exact odds actually. I think I'd just shove though. You do have fold equity against even a two pair hand, but it's thin. That's ok though because you are 55% to hit over 2 cards. Just get it in and hope your odds hold when you are ahead.

Assuming we call, what's our turn play? I'm just having trouble thinking of how to get him to pay us off if we hit the flush. c/r I don't think will work since he'll probably check behind. Betting out at that point pretty much turns our hand face up, so he's going to fold quite a bit (I guess he pays off if he wants to try to hit a boat with his 2 pair or set?).

What if turn is a blank? c/c again?

If we call the flop we have $102 left, and the pot is over $230. Can we really fold at any point?

I would believe him and shove.

Given the multiway nature of the pot I also prefer flatting his initial bet. He's unlikely to fold a better made hand to your raise so I would call and encourage other players to come in behind with weaker hands or stuff like the bare Ks or Qs. If you think this dude donks out often into 3 other players with the bare Ks or is likely to call a raise with a random worse J then a raise becomes better, but otherwise you're basically hoping he has something like KxJs which is a relatively small part of his range imo.

you have to ask yourself why you are raising his lead otf. at first it can look like a raise since you have tp/nfd, but there is nothing that is ahead of us that is folding, and all weaker hands are drawing really slim.

with a bunch of opponents acting behind you, you can even drag along a few dominated hands that will fold to your raise

You say it's a tight table and you pull off a flop raise with every intention of trying to take it down right then and there. Why else? He ain't releasing if it is as tight as you say.

Since you played it so fast your hand is kinda forced. I think best case really is 53.

Shove or fold. He is raising to half ur stack so u can't just fold when u miss turn. After the speech I think he either has 53 or a flush or set or two pairs. U are behind. Just with ur read here, I'll gamble against any two pairs but u don't have odds to call a shove if he has better

Shove or fold. I learn heavily towards shoving here given the remaining stacks.

I'd rather flat the first bet for $20 and allow him to continue with weaker holdings, as well as drag along either of the other two players.

Figure you have to shove... too much equity to fold and a call lets a Jack or spade fall that will kill your action

this... you're ahead of 53.

Just to reiterate, THIS.

I agree with the flat flop. As played I'm shipping, I'm not calling off half my stack and seeing a blank turn, or worse, calling off half my stack, seeing a spade turn, and villain shut down.

Side note, do not respond to questions. Stare at the felt. If he is not a total drooler, he would have rationally put you on AA-QQ, or AK-A10ss. When you say there's no way in hell you're folding, and he makes it $110, I feel like that is strong, maybe a set. He could have just made the decision he's going all the way with 53 though (which of course is beating AA), who knows.

This is a tip for playing seriously. Now if you're just playing for fun, I'd say smile, ship it, and say 53 is crushed dude. Now this is VERY important. If he doesn't snap call, he has 53, and you are ahead. You now need to get the rest of his money in (if you are okay with variance and only having a slight edge) When he asks you what you have, you say he can see one card, show the As, and he will call the rest off, thinking you have pretty much what you have (still underrepped as you have the paired J though). This is -EV, but funzies.

As I stated earlier, if serious, just ship and stare at felt.

"Check it down" is generally code for middle strength hand and scared of the board. IME at least. I believe he could have 53. I would shove here. $150 to win $250 - even if he has sets your equity is good enough I think. And you may have some small FE but I dont know given the table chatter.

Flatting the flop only if you think someone behind spazzs with a worse jack and has a 100bb stack. Otherwise I dont mind the raise. Fourth spade would kill a lot of action.