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01-05-2013 , 11:27 AM
I am a long time poker player trying to switch from tournaments to playing some $1/2 NL. I have a question about pot odds in multiway pots. My question arose in the following hand:

8 way limp pot. I have Tc7s and call. About $16 in the pot.

Flop: 7c9cJc
One player bets $15, I call, another player after me calls, and everyone else folds.

Pot is now about $60. Turn: 7d
Raiser bets $40. My question is at this point, what should I do? More specifically, if I put the raiser on a made flush, my other opponent on a high flush draw, and give myself only the outs to a boat or quad 7's, my equity is 23%. Calculating pot odds as usual, I need 40/100 or 40% to call. However, I know from playing at this type of table before if I call the 3rd player will probably call. If I assume this, I could figure pot odds of 40/140, or 28%. I know if I hit the boat or quads I will get paid out a bit by the made flush, which gives me implied odds to make the 28% vs 23% call, but not a 40% vs 23% call. How should I calculate the decision and what is the best way to play this type of hand?

Spoiler:
I ended up calling, as did the second opponent. An 8s came on the river, giving me a straight but we all checked it down. The raiser had the low flush with 8c5c and the second opponent had Qc5h.
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01-05-2013 , 11:44 AM
There are two things that directly cross my mind.
1) you have very narrow ranges for both opponents. You totally exclude two pairs and sets and they could both have a flush draw or pair + flush draw. So the first thing would be to look against a broader range.

2) if you come up with a very close decision (and i am not even saying this is the case here), it mostly depends on your personal player type. If you like to put in money in marginal +ev spots, then go ahead, but you should be clear that with your analysis this is a very marginal spot and a fold is never wrong in these kinds of situations
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01-05-2013 , 11:47 AM
Also... why the title of this thread? This is definitely the cleanest out you have, but you don't mention it in your text at all and it should not really matter
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01-05-2013 , 06:04 PM
Fold pre, fold flop. Less math and more playGood.
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