V1 Have seen him before, seems somewhat tightish pre. Don't really remember much and he just sat down. 300 stack.

V2 Complete unknown just sat down. 280 stack.

Hero sitting on 300. Haven't really gotten into any hands in first 30 mins.


Otth:

One player limps. V1 raises to 15. I make it 40 with QQ in CO. V2 in SB cold calls. Limper folds. V1 flats...

Flop 995 (120)

Folds to me, I bet 70, v2 folds, and V1 raises to 160. Do you ever find a fold here? I'm thinking plenty of TT/JJ, maybe 66/77/88. Seems standard gii, but obv results make me wonder.

Yes I fold here. I tell my friends all the time "fish only raise with overpair+"

Its not entirely true, but its close enough. Here he can have TT+ 9x, 55, and occasional spaz, but youre getting killed against that range.

If the guy doesnt raise enough like the title says. If flop is two tone and guy is decent TAG im shipping vs flushdraw.

What was V1s position? This is important because villain shouldnt have any 9s in his range from EP if he's tight. Qqis a standard GII because AA and KK generally reraise preflop and a tight villain shouldn't really have many 9s in his range. Tho Ugh your small raise encourages hands like 109 98 and a9 to come in. You should ha r

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It's one of those spots that don't make sense, villian shouldn't have a raising range on this flop so it's up to you to work out wtf he has, minraise with ****all behind always seem to be the nuts though so I'd probably fold

In my game, KK and AA always reraise your raise. He could be a trickier player though.

Odds are that if you don't remember much about him, he doesn't remember much about you. So what kind of range do you think he puts you as a regular 1/3 player? QQ+ for sure and AK maybe.

LLSNL players aren't noted for their ability to fold over pairs, so he's not expecting you to fold unless you have AK. There's no draws, so he isn't looking for a free card. He's committed 2/3 of his stack, so he's not folding either. Therefore, I don't see any underpairs in his range and if he had TT, he'd have to worry about you having a better pair with you range.

You're beat most of the time here, so I'd fold. Maybe he's bluffing, but if he is, he'll be doing this a lot and you can catch him the next time. If he was very bluffy, you would have remembered him.

How early a position in V1 raising from? The earlier / tighter he is, I'm not sure 3betting QQ is absolutely necessary from CO thanks to (a) no other dead money in the pot and (b) there's an ok chance here flatting with get this HU. The later position / looser raiser / more dead money in the pot, etc. the more it becomes more a mandatory 3bet with these stacks. If I'm 3betting, I typically like offering poor 8:1 IO to setminers, so I would have went $55; we ended up offering 12:1 (not including the overcall) which isn't horrendous but it's getting closer to profitable given we won't be able to fold non A/K flops.

I think I just sigh get it in here. AA/KK would mostly reraise preflop thanks to the coldcaller (they don't want to give 2 people a chance to suck out). 9x/55 have little reason to raise this flop with these stacks on this drawless board. I think we run into JJ/TT enough for us to be ok with shipping here, although obviously we still lose a lot (and I'm guessing we lost this hand).

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I think I GII here.

V1 repops AA/KK enough 3 handed pre-flop (at least in my games) that I think JJ/1010 is more likely than AA/KK.

I would also have raised to at least 50 preflop. That gives me a little hesitation your super small 3 bet size may have allowed V1 to overall as weak as A9 which would suck. I think if your PF 3bet is a bit bigger I would be even more confident. But either way I am ok GII for these stack sizes.

The argument for GII is if villain really had AA/KK I think a lot of the times they might let you barrell a second street as they aren't worried about many turn cards.

HU is more tricky because in my games villains are more willing to flat a 3b with AA/KK to get tricky.

Not folding in a million years from now to eternity and back. In this situation our QQ are as good as AA or KK. No folding!

1) Here is what you do:
If villain is an infrequent action player, what I mean is this: some hands he raises and some he limps and calls or sometime he leads OTF and sometime checks call/folds, you got yourself tons of information in 30 minutes. He involuntary splits his hands in raising hands and weak limping hands and so on. If you are on his left and if he limps, you raise, I mean you make a solid serious raise using all your premium plus A5s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s and all pocket pairs 22+.., all suited Broadways and AQo and KQo. Don't you worry about the flop because he will miss the flop 66% of the time and we will play that percentage against him flopping anything. Just listen what I'm saying. You can even make a c-bet on any flop if he checks his limp hand (the key here is his limp hand pre that signifies weakness). But for now just attack the weak and avoid strength. If he's coming for a raise, you re-raise with all premium hands including AK and A5s as a bluff to induce a check on the flop from him or if he leads the flop you can fold the A5s if you didn't hit it hard. The A5s is "re-raising luring hand" so to induce a check. You can use another hand like this, say T9s, 98s or 88 (a pair above the middle of the pack) to force him to check if he miss in a 3bet pot ...haha...haha...you got him by the balls if he checks the flop. How you like that?

2) OTH
On that flop of 995 you got to know what player he is but since you raise preflop I doubt he's got a single 9 in his hand and I don't give him 55 for a FH because the fish will slowplay that hand for sure. He's got an overpair. Maybe 10, JJ or some pair between 5 and 9 like 88, or 77 and he's not giving you credit for a 9. When the flop comes down paired like this one and you have opponents, there is only 8% per each opponent to have one card of that pair in his hand. Since you got one villain against you in this situation you are 92:8 favorite that he's not got a 9. Another words he's 8:92 dog to have a 9 right now.

I will shove for sure 100% without any regret. We are playing the 92% percentages against him beating your QQ. Yes..., Go ahead and shove.

grunch

First off, I like 3betting atleast 3x here. So I would make it atleast $45, maybe something like $48. Also, I might check back this flop in hopes to get to showdown cheaply but would most definitely fire a delayed cbet on the turn on all 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, Q turns.

As played I'm folding. I think V1 could EASILY have AA or KK here as hardly anyone ever 4b pre at these stakes. JJ and TT are literally the only hands we beat, because I don't think V would do this with a flush draw or something like 87, 86, 67.
Like I said, I would expect to see AA, KK, or A9 literally 95% of the time.
And for what its worth, I have never seen a 4b from a super tight player at 1/3 with AA or KK before. I seriously havent. If they happen to get 3b they always flat and hope the 3bettor does the betting for them.

Wow just wow @ all the guys who fold here. Super exploitable. You have to go with it sometimes and this is one of them. You're not even super deep.

The thing is, at 1/3 NO ONE else would fold here. Like same hand plays out, you have AA and they have QQ, they pay you every time. The difference is that if you have 1010 or JJ here you're not check raising and losing all your chips, or check raise bluffing AK/AQ or some random junk like some players will. That's where your edge is, if you're QQ vs AA then just pay them.

Calling is never wrong. Folding you're sometimes dumping the best hand where v is value raising "to protect" with 1010/JJ.

IF he is really passive he might just call the first time PF with AA hoping someone else will raise so he can limp-reraise.

However, his c/r on the flop looks really strong and I wouldn't feel confident you're good here. BUT there's 350 in the pot, effective stacks are 190 and you still might be ahead. No way I'd fold and I would just shove. If he has JJ or TT we get the most out of him before any scare cards show up on the turn. If he has AA or KK stacks are getting in anyway if we call.

I also agree with raising a little bigger PF.