Really easy shove, villain will lead with worse made hands because he is afraid of the various draws out there

When I see OPs (in general) give us reads on players or what players perceive them as and then the hand in question basically contradicts all of that information, I tend to disregard it because either OP is looking for a specific answer or OP just isn't very good at making reads

This hand OP says that V1 is ABC and views hero as a spewy lag. So obv V1 turns the nuts and decides to donk pot into a spewy lag?!? ABC play is typically to x/r turn with the nuts and vs a spewy lag people also like to x/r a lot.

So my default is to just ignore what OPs reads are because something isn't correct in them and look at the hand.

Given that we lose to
JJ (3)
77 (3)
89s (4)

10 combos

We beat
AA-QQ (18)

Let's call it's 1/4 that because it's not standard but is in the realm of possibility, so 4.5

I don't have an equity calc in front of me, but that's roughly 36% equity from my back of hand math. We only need 33% to call. This is not including anything more in Vs range like a weirdly played AJ or AXhh, all of which make this more of at least a call. Call vs shove is whatever

It isn't NORMAL for the players in these games to make big bets out of fear. That may be rational, but it isn't normal. They make big bets when they're happy, not when they're afraid.

Again, the players in these games simply do NOT play the flop this way with these hands. They are motivated by emotion, not by striving to be GTO. Big pairs make them feel good, and they play them fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbSspZVhxLo

i'd shove turn man

Cause we never see someone bet huge preflop with JJ. Never. Not once. Ever.




Ever.






Ever.






We'll just agree to disagree because I see this every now and again and that's only showdowns. You'll also note that I used 25%, but you conveniently trimmed the quote to not include it

This is a non sequitur; they never put a big bet into a big pot PF with JJ. If, in the case before us, villain had open shoved the turn, then the analogy might be apt.

Except it's not a non sequitur because people do that all the time also. Maybe not where you play because apparently your skill is so dizzying that people must play a super passive nut peddle style, but where I play that happens practically every session.

We're obv at an impasse, so I'm done

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