Hi all,

Reporting from Vegas where I've been for the past week. Here another week so if you want a soft game just check my pg&c thread for where I'll be playing each day. :P

At Mandalay Bay $1/$2. V is older white gentleman ($200) who jammed QQ otf for 150bb on 456hh in a seven-way pot facing a donk of $35. Other V flopped a straight. Hero covers.

Anyway, hero calls a $6 raise from V in co with J9o on BTN. Goes four ways. Pot $19. Flop: 9-4-4hxx. V bets $15. I call. All else fold. Pot $49.

Turn: Jh. V bets $30. I call. Pot $109.

River: 3h. V bets $60. I ask If he'll show if I fold and after hesitating, in a strained voice he says "I tend not to." I guess his range is overpairs (but for $6?), Jx, backdoor flush, 4x, and air balls.

Hero?

Thanks,
DT

Was there really $5 rake on a $24 pot preflop? Damn.

I play flop and turn the same and fold river. Old dudes usually don't have the stones to empty the clip with air. Really sucks if he's vbetting a jack good kicker. Pretty close spot but I'm a nit when it comes to river calls.

I call here, he shouldn't have much 4x and he has shown proclivity to overvalue hands.

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Fold pre 90-95%. 3bet 5-10%. Call 0%.

I assume he just subtracted out the entire $5 rake when giving the flop amount (as I often do when giving a HH), since no place in Vegas that I know of takes $5 preflop (unless PF hits $50)

The only way I'm calling this is if I've just finished a nicely poured bourbon and I think the Villain is weak-tight and can be pushed off a hand.

Assuming you had J9s instead of J9o I could get behind a preflop call, so I pretend thats what you have.

How much did he raise preflop with QQ? Was it the same $6?

I like 3 betting more than calling here. Like another poster said, I lean toward more folds here but will 3 bet in spots. I like 3 bet bc opponent will 4 bet hands that crush you and you find an easy fold. Also def helps set a Cbet with barreling if need be and you feel like it. 3 bet to 16-18 in position can’t be bad here. Only 3 bet here though if you are fine cbetting complete air on solid flops. If not just find a fold. Like other poster- fold 80-90% 3bet 10-20% of time

fold or 3-bet preflop (probably just fold). Flatting button to a CO raise is so icky, especially with a speculative hand.

Rest of the hand is ok. River is probably a call. He might have AJ or a random bluff. Odds are decent.

He raised bigger with QQ.

Preflop
Am folding this a lot, it just isnt that great of a hand to play even on the button if it was suited i mighe be inclined to 3bet over fold
As played I am calling the cbet but folding too the turn bet you are just not beating much, and look like you giving him 3 streets of value.

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$3 Rake and $2 promo at $30 could be the 5?

fold pre and you wont get in this mess.

Answer is yes

Is his $6 preflop sizing his standard sizing? How much did he make it with QQ?

River seems like a clear call to me. If he has just AJ to go along with overpairs and sets we can call profitably.

Since he made a bigger preflop raise than $6 when he had QQ, this is a river call.....but like I said, I would only call preflop if it was J9s, not J9o. If you gives you more equity but a lot more semi bluffing opportunities also.

J9o may not be a great hand but calling a 3x raise with it on the button vs some 1/2 drooler in a game where there are very few 3bets can never be terrible. Particularly when your opponent is as terrible postflop as you described.

I hate to agree with Buz but there are so many reasons to just fold here when he is in late position and the raise is small, there is just nothing to be gained here vs the weaker part of his range, we only want to target the stronger parts and attack the weaker parts, frequencies above look spot on but 10% is generous, i would 3 bet this hand on the lower end of 5%, in fact, i would never flat call here with any hand ever, it's raise or fold, isolating the fish in position is way better than letting the blinds have a shot

lol wat ?

^ Haters gonna hate....

in a situation like this i dont think anyone else can really give you a good answer. you should be the one to know what to do. If you do not know whether you can make a simple call down on that dream board (seriously ??? did you expect J J 9 ? ) then you just have no business in that hand. Fold preflop and pay attention. If you dont know if V over/under bluffs what street ; bets too wide or to tight for value, then you just cant make marginal calls preflop.

FWIW I assume you are pretty much at the top of your range here. QQ should not be in your range, neither should there be a lot of 4x hands... some 99 i guess... well if you are flatting J9o, you are probably also flatting 54s.... would you float the flop with random overcards like QThh ? could you have a flush here?

so what did he have? 99 or 44?

either way, you knew that you were never good on the river when he bet

Easy call on the river.

I stopped reading here just to say the answer to the question is Yes. There's nothing you could have done post flop to change my mind (so I read no more).

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