shocker the op made this garbage post bc the guy had a straight

easy ship.

his range includes bottom two pair, lower sets, flush draw, flush draw + straight draw, etc.

But to be honest, his bet sizing is pretty strong, and probably isn't a flush draw. I think we're either set over set or up against a straight.

THIS is a hand that plays itself.

You can't fold here.

preflop raise bigger and its easier to ship the flop... as played still ship it

i post this all the time, dont fold sets, they are so hard to make, especially on boards like this there are so many other hands he has that you have absolutely crushed. any combo draw is basically just a naked draw at this point for him. any set is crushed, 2 pair is crushed, and straights we have decent equity aginst.

Not going broke here is a mistake vs. almost anybody who isn't a 80 year old crusty nit, in which case you're still going broke unless you're like 250bb+ deep.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

P0nzi: It was unfortunate that the villain flopped a straight. ***** happens. My concern is making the right play. And it looks like I did.

We can debate the size of my raise PF. It was light, but I got what I wanted. I flopped a set with a big pot. I got coolered. I wanted to find out from the experts as to whether they could have gotten away from the hand.

I am on the same page as Phulhouze. As crazy as it sounds, winning big pots with premium cards is not part of my game plan unless i flop big. It feeds into the meta game. I have to raise too much to thin the field and it telegraphs the hand. Taking AA up against 5 callers is very difficult, especially OOP. Do raise to $18 with big pairs and AK only? Too obvious. I much prefer disguising my hand mixing $7-10 raises and limping/reraising in EP. I sacrifice the value plays with AA, KK, etc. for disguise. When I hit monsters like a big set or flop a straight, I get paid. I spent a lot of time being frustrated early on with my big cards. The $1-2 games I play in are very, very,very loose, and my win rate went up significantly when I dialed back my bet sizes. Every hand is multi-way. Of course, if I took this strategy up against the players in this forum, I'd get crushed.

80 year old nits dont play 68,j8

villain can have an underset so...

I don't see anyway to not get it all in here. Just a tough cooler spot.

I am having a similar issue with betsizing in EP/MP at 1/3 & 2/3. Anybody have tips on discovering the tipping point? I haven't been able to bring myself to limp/reraise, or ever limping 1st in, but in theory and practice I am starting to think it could be +EV at a lot of the games I am in. 3B at this level seem like they are 90% for value, and are thus very rare, but people love to pounce on/iso limpers in LP. I just haven't hit my own tipping point where I can limp premiums because there often isn't a raise and it becomes a 6-way family pot.

A lot of the folks here don't like him, but Angel Largay's book changed my thinking. I make $8-10 raises and limp a lot in EP. The way I see it, you have 2 choices:

1. Raise 7BB+ with TT+, AJ, KQ, AK, AQ. There are 2 problems: you are telegraphing your hand, and do you want to put in this big a raise with anything less? You are maximizing your value hands, but the rest of your game goes to hell. After an hour, you won't get any action, or good players will play back at you PF.
2. Concede that you aren't going to be able to isolate anyone with your premium hands. Raise smaller, or limp, and go for disguise. I make my money at $1-2 showing down monsters that are well disguised. I am amazed how often I get paid off big with the nuts. The other night I got paid off big (stacking someone for $200+) with quad 8s, a set of aces, and broadway with AK. If I told you what my hourly rate is over my last 200 hours is, you would call me a liar. That would not have happened with bigger pre-flop raises I just don't fall in love with premium holdings. I am no expert, but I play pretty well after the flop multiway. I want to play a lot of hands, and I look at my top pair flops as covering my blinds. I don't push them hard. AA is just another hand.

The $1-2 B&M games I play in bear no resemblance to anything in books (other than Largay). The online games .25-.50 are infinitely tougher. I read the hand histories in the forums here, and they look like they came from another planet. There are 3-5 players at the B&M tables playing 50% or more of their hands and just spewing chips. Another 2-3 players are playing 35% of their hands and donking off money as well - just more slowly. They are the same people who used to play every hand at $2-4 limit.

I am curious what everyone would do if hero stack was 650 and villian had 700. If bet 50 and raise was 250 or 200.
What are your thoughts?
I think in original post easy decision to shove.

You gotta ship it here. I may have checked behind seeing that reaction and hope to boat up, but the pair up may have killed any chances of stacking off.

Agreed.

I actually don't mind the preflop raise size if everyone else is deepish too (i.e. 150 BBs like we are); I think it's one of the rare times where a preflop "juicer" raise is warranted. If stacks were shorter (and thus we'd have no problem getting them in postflop when we hit) then I'd have no problem limping. I don't think a big iso-raise is terrible with this middling pair, but with multiple limpers already in the pot, methinks that setmining is going to be more profitable.

If you shipped the flop, I play the whole hand the same way.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Great post....I am thinking about trying this out. Really starting to think one of the keys to success at this level is seeing as many flops as possible and maximizing value postflop. My hourly winrate is solid at $2/3, but very swingy. I don't play a high variance game, but mostly playing premiums and looking to stack off with equity means that 1-2 hands dictate whether I have a very profitable or very costly session.

On a downswing over last 8-10 sessions and it has basically come from about 3-4 hands where I lost with 85%+ equity (ran poker stove after) and a few hands I just had a tough time getting away from...probably some degree of delayed tilt in here too. Smaller preflop action and seeing more flops would probably mean winning a lot more small-medium pots thus reducing overall variance, but still have the opportunity to stack off when the situation warrants.

Donita?

I never go broke, but I always jam this flop.

grunch,

folding top set is some crazy ****. so forget that, there are more hands he can have than the 2 straits, ship it, fade his combo draw, or boat up, no brainer for 150bbs, now if we are 1k deep this is another discussion

also pre make it $15 at least

pray he has a smaller set/2p and cry when he doesn't.

This is a LLSNL thread man. Not everyone who posts here is going to see why this is an autoship, thats what 2+2 is for, to learn. Lighten up.

i shove and dont think your generally going broke,not usally. villian has good hand but more often than not a worse set or draw.

pre is fine. post is fine if u shoved over the 150$. nice hand