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08-14-2019 , 09:03 PM

FusilliJerry

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Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 60

V is unknown 60's middle eastern; has been limping a lot; no showdowns
H has tight image

7 handed at 5/5; 1k eff

V limps utg, V2 in mp calls (fishy LP)
Hero in co A

35; both V's call
Flop KT7r (110)
x,x, H 50, V xr to 140, fold, H calls HU
Turn Tx (390)
v checks, H checks back
River 9x
V checks again, Hero?

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08-14-2019 , 09:26 PM

QuadJ

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Check against a reletive unknown. The check/raise flop and check down suggests a draw that didn't get there. Some of them are 9X hands that you could bluff off but the ones that got there are not folding and the ones that missed everything you beat anyways. Add in some chance villain is slow playing a boat/straight and is waiting for you to bet.

Your going to have to bet at least $200 here to bluff off any hands that beat you and it isn't worth it without a good read on villain.

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08-14-2019 , 10:27 PM

HomelessPizza

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 599

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

We really don't have any SDV, so I don't mind throwing out 250-300 since we do block some strong TP. We might get V off 89, K8s, K9s, K7s, KJ, etc.

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08-15-2019 , 09:15 AM

PROPOSITION_JOE

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

We really don't have any SDV, so I don't mind throwing out 250-300 since we do block some strong TP. We might get V off 89, K8s, K9s, K7s, KJ, etc.

how many of these are X/R'ing the flop though?

players who are "limping a lot" are often not in the aggro category.

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08-15-2019 , 09:19 AM

PROPOSITION_JOE

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not wishing to try and soul read here - but it reads like K7 which shut down after being counterfeited. will our old unknown serial limper let go of top pair to river bet? possibly?

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08-15-2019 , 10:41 AM

Javanewt

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Not sure why you called the flop raise? I guess you were hoping to bink an A or J, but I'd just fold to this guy -- 60s Middle Eastern guy is probably not bluffing with a check/raise on this board vs. a tight open.

If he is any good at all, he's not folding a K on the river, which is the worst he should have, especially after your check on the turn. I'd just check back and make him show first, then muck/show depending.

I mean, what's he check/raise bluffing with? JQ got there, and there is no flush draw.

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08-15-2019 , 09:05 PM

HomelessPizza

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 599

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

You are over-folding if you let this go OTF to a relative unknown. We are IP, deep, and drawing to the nuts. You should have many worse hands to throw away if you are cbetting correctly (56s, 86s, etc).

Also, our cbet sizing is relatively small and LLSNL V's will spew here b/c they think you're FOS. So it is possible V could have air or weak TP's here like K8s.

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08-16-2019 , 12:23 AM

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

I would never cbet 65s/86s/etc on the flop, seems like burning money. 3-way cbetting range should be a lot narrower. Vs two fish on texture range betting Is extremely bad

Also we have no reason to believe V has a lot of bluffs here, he limp called pre indicating he’s most likely your typical passive live fish and raised on a board where we “always” have AK. And KK/AA. The cbet isnt even that small, if it were 30% psb i could get behind a call otf

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