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That's if V2 beats us and we beat V1. If V3 beats us and we beat V2 and V1 we win $60 side pot 1 and $80 side pot 2 with $120 invested on river for $20 profit.

Oops. I forgot to add my own money.

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05-21-2012 , 03:08 PM

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Lou Proctor

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I'm not a fan of how you played this hand. As others have stated, if you check the turn it should've been to check/raise. I feel betting would've been the best option, as worse hands could still call and you could safely fold to a raise. As played, you underrepped your hand, which may have induced V1 to overplay a smaller flush or a non-flush. V2 or V3 will sometimes show up with the nuts here, but they more likely have marginal hands that they were unable to get away from. You're often beat, but getting 5.3:1 odds would be enough for me to call.

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05-21-2012 , 04:35 PM

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rizeagainst

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not folding anywhere in the hand. check shove turn. as played i'm calling river vs a table of rec players.

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05-21-2012 , 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cap217

to me if we call the turn we have to call the river.

Honestly I think you should fold the turn....I mean you bet out the flop as a semi bluff...got 4 callers oops.... The flush comes in I'm not happy, very likely were against a bigger flush, lets check and see what the action is...

A player now bets out into 4 players 2 or 3 have not yet acted....he has a flush...He gets called by a player with more players behind...Ad or a flush, and what Ad called the flop not many, despite this you get another caller....

I find the fold on the turn...

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05-21-2012 , 05:38 PM

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Isn't this alot easier than most are making it out to be?

1) the odds of two people flopping a flush draw is 4%.
2) We are getting 5:1 on the call.

Just on this premise alone, shouldn't this be a call? Not a rhetorical question...I'm curious if this is proper deduction of poker stats

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05-21-2012 , 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by endodocdc

Looking at the odds of another flush is useful here, but it can't be used in any kind of deterministic way like that.

For an extreme example- Let's say we know V2 to be the type of player who will never call the river push without a flush. The odds of a flush are not 4%, they are 100%.

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05-21-2012 , 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMainEvent

Point well taken about the extreme example. I just think in reality, we always find some exceptions to normal/methodical/reproducible/ traits we categorize players based on. For example, it may be more appropriate to say V2 will never call the river push without a hand he thinks it's best.

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05-21-2012 , 06:39 PM

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I hate checking the turn so so much I really don't care about the river. That being said, I call here.

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05-21-2012 , 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by endodocdc

Just from a math point this is the wrong statistic and completely irrelevant.

The question is not how often do two people flop a flush, the question is if one person flops a flush, how often does someone else then have a flush if 3 flush cards are on the board. You only need one event to occur not two.

As pointed out above even this statistic may be irrelevant as the action limits down players ranges away from ATC per flop, and on the flop...

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05-21-2012 , 07:56 PM

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Why didn't you lead out on the turn?

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05-21-2012 , 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCNative

Why didn't you lead out on the turn?

to induce river bets???

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05-21-2012 , 11:15 PM

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rizeagainst

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Originally Posted by cap217

to induce river bets???

what hand is betting the river that isnt calling the turn?

turn is our spot to make money in this hand. check/calling it is pretty bad imo

i like check/raising > betting > check/calling > folding

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05-22-2012 , 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

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Shove or fold turn IMO. (I prob fold in the heat of the moment)

lol what???????????????????

no disrespect. but WHAT? head asplode

Can you at least agree that if you were to find fold on this brick river, then you would be better off just folding on the turn?

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05-22-2012 , 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

what hand is betting the river that isnt calling the turn?

turn is our spot to make money in this hand. check/calling it is pretty bad imo

i like check/raising > betting > check/calling > folding

I was being sarcastic... Of course the turn is the issue here. My earlier statement was that if we just flat the turn then we have to call the river.

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05-22-2012 , 10:46 AM

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I get it in on the turn. If I'm beat I cash call it a cooler and not feel bad. If I check turn and someone bets. Now everyone has pot odds to chase diamond even I we check/raise all in. It's best to go all in on turn an be happy if we get called or folded on and collec the healthy pot.

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05-23-2012 , 03:41 PM

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rizeagainst

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Originally Posted by duh

Can you at least agree that if you were to find fold on this brick river, then you would be better off just folding on the turn?

yes.

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