I'm sure there are like a million threads on this topic, but i'm too lazy to search for them.

I have moved up to 200NL recently and played roughly 30k hands there with a decent 3ptbb/100 winrate. I realize this isn't a huge sample, and I'm not saying I'm ready to make the jump to 400NL, but I think that I will make the jump in the near future. I feel like at 200NL, the optimal play is roughly 17/14/3, with a lot of raising limpers and playing pots IP etc etc....obviously. But, I feel like at the 400nl, this strategy may be somewhat less effective as the players are much smarter and will probably notice this type of play and know how to rape it. Is there any suggestions you guys may have that can lead me into a successful venture into 400NL? Any thing I should be aware of that are major differences that you had to deal with and break through? Any thoughts?

The standard raise in 400NL is 14 instead of 7. And everyone starts out with more money. Downside is that the blinds are bigger.

plz ban

NL400 comprises 8 regs swapping $$ back and forth and 1 fish paying the rake for the other 8.

That's right.

Too many regs at NL400... literally half the table or more, and the rest are short stacks.

So are u better off playing NL200 then??

alot of times yes $/hr is more important than status

lol at "regs exchanging money and shorties paying ur rake"
i ran at 9.87 BB/100 playing 6-8 tables at the same time fullring games. at 1/2 when i moved up to 2/4 i dropped back to 8.77BB/100. a lot of the regs are really not that great.
if you play at the right times of the day you will find a lot of tables with few regulars but yes you will definitely be playing agaisnt a lot more people who make there living when yu move up to 2/4

at full ring there is obv more room for fish, I have recently been attempting to move up to 2/4, and there is usually a bunch of regs playing...I guess I might need to grind some more 1-2 when the games are bad.

Since when did 400nl regs become unbeatable? iyam they can get sooooo spewy at times its horrible.

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Also, 2/4 definitely plays harder IMO (this coming from a 1/2 reg) but like the guy above me said some of the regs are WAY spewy.

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kelistaan own

at nl200 u can limp from time to time, at nl400 u cant! it just doesnt suit my agressive limping style,... ((((

I tend to do better at 400nl than I do at 200nl (both BB/100 and $/hr).

I think it's because the 200nl regulars aren't spewy enough, IMO (I actually mean this seriously).

lol no one at 2/4 can read a hand to save their life

ive been saying this for a while. all those nitty ****** ass nitfags know how to play me i guess. im scared ****less of 1/2 i cant beat it

400nl regs especially on full tilt are v spewy at times i guess because we are all such degenerates that we play a million games at the same time but still, its not much tougher than 1/2 just more aggro, just like 3/6 is slightly more aggro than 2/4. if your a solid winner at 1/2 i.e. 3BB/100 or better then u will almost certainly be a winner at 2/4, it aint that big a jump in skill level

nits can actually make money at 1/2 where they will get destroyed at 2/4. and if you play 1/2 long enough to let the decent regs get a decent db against you, you might not be so full of yourself with your winrate. but then again i might be wrong and you might actually be an amazing online player. who knows, gl and whats your SN?

i think thisis true. at 400 u cant fold everytime someone semibluffs i guess or ur going to be donating too much.

This.

lol rosa.. i see u with like 1k stacks all over the place at 1/2.

I think 17/13/3 is close to standard @ 2/4 for the regs. Maybe a touch less on the pfr. I've never played 1/2, so I can't offer as a comparison. But a typical table at FT is like 4 full stacked regs (usually evenly mixed between good, decent and bad), 2 short stacking regs, and some newbs. Obviously this can change a lot based on time of day, etc. Based on your stats, you'll probably fit in okay. Whether you do better or worse than 3BB is up to you and the poker gods.

I've just moved up to 400 NL - here is what I've noticed.

More aggression (duh). As in more check raises with draws, more pot C-bets with air, etc...

A lot more "loose" players who profit playing that style. At 200NL green numbers in Holdem Manager equited to donks usually, but not as much here.

I've found a lot more bad players than in 200/NL - guys who you can look up the stats for and say "man - how does this guy afford to continue to play?". Small sample, but just what I've noticed.

The biggest problem with moving up is that you don't know who the regulars & decent players are without hitting the ratings to see who plays a lot and who doesn't. I've averaged 3 BB/100 200NL for months now because I recognized the regulars and knew how to beat them. Move up, and you start all over.