1-2NL cash game.

Preflop I have JTs. Guy raises to 12, I call from BB. Honestly I should have folded here looking back but I didn't. Not folding got me into some pretty serious trouble as you will see.

Flop comes T J 4

Guy raises all in for 130, I'm thinking he has pocket aces or kings, or AJ, or KJ. Everyone folds to me. I call with two pair. He turns over Jacks and I miss the turn and river full house draw.

Looking back, I really had a feeling this guy had a set or overpair and was bluffing the set or hoping for a big draw. I should have folded but figured the odds were in my favor after flopping two pair.

What would you have done? I'm a new player so any tips would be appreciated. Thank you.

well how deep were you? Calling with JTs can be fine - but since you were 100bb~ deep this is an EZ fold. 6BB is expensive to call and playing OOP is even tougher. Once you flop top 2 and you are only 70BB it's an EZ call on the flop as you flopped very well. It was unfortunate he had JJ and you were drawing dead but he could of also had other things.

Any ways just be careful calling **** when you are only 100BB deep.

My stack was around 124BB at that point. This one was really a tough one and I had a feeling the guy was not going all in without the nuts but it was too hard to me to fold top 2 pair, I mean what are the odds he has pocket J or T?

How deep would you consider appropriate to call a 6BB bet with JTs?

Thanks for your reply Djevans.

Your preflop decision depends on lots of things, including effective stacks, the opponent's position, his range, and his postflop tendencies. In a vacuum it's hard to say whether you can call profitably here, but I lean toward probably no.

As played, there is no way you should ever fold when he jams that flop for 65bb. Not ever. You are crushing his range, as you rightly thought. Unfortunately, you ran into the top of it. Shake it off and better luck next time.

You're thinking is way scared/results oriented. It's also downright contradictory so Ill try to point that out.

We'd need stack sizes/tendencies of all villains to decide what to do PF. Generally, I think calling with JTs is fine. Against certain raisers and callers it can be good to squeeze with as well.

As for the flop action:

Let's just assume for a second that he never spews with AJ/KJ. Let's pretend he never does this with AA or any other overpairs, either. Let's say he only does this with KQ (OESD+overcards is a great hand) and sets.

There is one --one-- combo he has for the set of jacks. The case jacks in the deck. Ditto for TT. He can have three combos of 44.

Hands that are beating us: 5. I'm not going to bother with the small chance that we suck out against these hands, but it does happen.

KQ has 16 combos. It wins ~5 of those times I think.

So, even with this really really conservative estimate of his range, which ignores our suckouts and accounts for his, we have 10 losses and 11 wins. So it no matter how much he bets, we call. He can bet infinity and we must call (assuming we still range him like this).

You said in your post that you think he had "a set or overpair" and that made you want to fold. This is really wrong: he has 5 ways to make sets and 8 ways to make AA. If he has sets and AA (only), our call is even easier, and we aren't even adding in KK/QQ yet. You also mention AJ/KJ which we crush. 8 combos of each bro.

So yeah, not only was the flop call good, but folding would have bern a disaster.

Unless you have a specific read that he only does this over betting thing with sets. In a vacuum it's a call.

By the way, you left out a lot more important info. Besides stack sizes, we need to know how many/who called preflop and how big the pot is.

Calling pre-flop is fine. I'd probably 3bet as a default but it sounds like you're new and would probably make a lot of mistakes in 3bet pots, so flatting is ok. It is a big raise and you aren't that deep so this could easily be a fold, but flatting isn't a huge mistake.

You can never ever ever fold this flop. I'm actually shocked he had top set. I would have bet a lot on a scared QQ-AA. Call, pay him his money and move on.

Welcome to the forum, bm303.

We need some more info here, like were there any other callers and how deep were stacks, what was the action on the flop before the guy shoved, etc.?

It sounds like the pot was likely multi-way and I see above that you were over 100bbs, though, so I'm fine with calling pre, even OOP, assuming the others weren't all short-stacks.

I would usually lead this flop, as c/r will look so strong, but that depends on reads on the villains, how multi-way it is, etc.

As played, obviously calling with toppest two. V could very easily play an overpair like that.

By the way, please don't post results in your OP. It tends to skew the advice. I'd edit it out, but too many people have read it already. Just leave it out next time.