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Originally Posted by gjpure
Unfortunately, UTG limped in with black QQ
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Originally Posted by docvail
Did he at least have the Qc in his hand?
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Originally Posted by gjpure
Yes, black QQ.
Geezus I hate myself sometimes. Not as much as I hate BTN straddles, but still...
Forgive me for overlooking that detail.
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Originally Posted by gjpure
So if we are making it bigger like $30 + in these straddle pots, then should we be tighening our range quite a bit? Like mostly just premiums and limp the decent hands like KQ? AJ, 99 etc? Most people just call $5 with everything and are afraid to bloat the pot.
I think theory says we should be tightening our range any time there's a straddle on, because it effectively halves the stack depths.
If we're tightening our range, I'd think theory would say we could go bigger, but I'm not sure if that's correct if the reason for tightening is because of the straddle. I think if we went from 200bb effective to 100bb, we wouldn't be raising larger necessarily.
The button straddle is a crime against humanity, with how it warps the game dynamics. People who would never limp in EP with no BTN straddle suddenly have some weird EP limp-flatting range with a BTN straddle, like your boy here with QQ in the BB - what the serious f**k?
I haven't played in a BTN straddle game in a while. The last time I did, the straddle could be put on from anywhere, with priority given to whomever had the earlier position. So whenever anyone tried to put the BTN straddle on, I'd be like, "nah. Eff you. That effs up the game. I'll straddle from here."
But even doing that sucks. I don't want to straddle from MP just to screw the guy on the BTN, because I'm still screwing up the game, albeit not as much as that other guy on the BTN.
In a game with a mandatory BTN straddle, I don't know. I guess we need to have a different pre-flop strat, with more open-limps and over-limps and stronger opening raises from all positions, which, again, kind of screws up the game.
Like, if you over-limped here, is the BB just going broke with QQ on any run-out? Are you supposed to just over-call with TT on this flop? Is 76 or 54 in your HJ opening range pre, or your over-limping range?
This is why I think we should raise bigger when the BTN straddle is on, because people will limp-flat with weird hands that we wouldn't expect them to have in a normal pre-flop set-up.
Say we open to 30, BTN might call, but will be folding more. BB might call, but will be raising more. UTG should be folding if BB 3B's, and still folding more than over-calling your larger size.
We'll be more likely to get heads-up and IP against the blinds if we raise bigger, with better defined ranges, and easier post-flop decisions.