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Did I miss an opportunity to 4-bet light? Did I miss an opportunity to 4-bet light?

10-22-2013 , 06:52 PM
Table - ($1/$3) - very tight. Mostly TAGgy or nitty regs. Once reg (a short stack specialist) habitually limps AK. Two others limp AQ from early. Horrible I know but none of these nitty individuals are in this hand.

Villain (UTG) - $110 - late 20's, early 30's white guy in a north face jacket. Playing appropriately tight for his stack but doing a fair amount of c-betting and an occasional stab. I've raised his c-bets twice over the past three hours and taken it down. He might be a consistent bet-folder but he hasn't been active enough to tell for sure. First time playing with him.

Hero (button) - $550 - has played some big hands, getting stacked and then buying back in and stacking two nits. Taking a good number of stabs and prudent bluffs but nothing too crazy. Table might perceive me as laggier than I am.

Pre: UTG limps, MP+1 limps, CO limps. Hero looks down, sees KJo, and raises to $18. ($13 is table standard for most hands.)

UTG raises to $40. Two other limpers fold. Hero calls.

What is villains range? Fold/Call/ or 4-bet light? Is a light 4-bet here a semibluff?

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 10-22-2013 at 06:59 PM.
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10-22-2013 , 06:57 PM
One thought: in a table where multiple villains limp big aces, raising AJ from EP is significantly -EV. Villain should realize this.
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10-22-2013 , 07:11 PM
Fold. Tons of limping with big hands and hero has LAG image, probably villain just waiting for this chance to 3 bet you.
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10-22-2013 , 07:12 PM
His range is way ahead of you and he's ridiculously pot committed. Fold
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10-22-2013 , 09:27 PM
There really shouldn't ever be a spot to 4 bet light in these games. You're hardly ever deep enough and the players you'd want to never appear. If you're considering 4 betting light, consider how you got there and how not to get there again.
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10-22-2013 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScurred
His range is way ahead of you and he's ridiculously pot committed. Fold
You may be right. JJ+, AQ+ not in his likely range though. V is not one of the nits, and the odds of him planning a limp/reraise on this particular table should be close to zero for obvious reasons.

He has put in just slightly more than 1/3 his stack.
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10-22-2013 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
There really shouldn't ever be a spot to 4 bet light in these games. You're hardly ever deep enough and the players you'd want to never appear. If you're considering 4 betting light, consider how you got there and how not to get there again.
Agree with spike. Let's step back for a second and pretend that both players were both deep stacked at a 2/5 table. What's our thinking for this scenario? The only reason for us to 4-bet light is if we think villain is 3 betting light. Has villain shown he has a wider 3betting range than QQ+? Additionally, we also want to think about why our villain would fold. If I'm the villain, I'm only folding to you if I have respect for your raise, or if I have air.

I can see why you wanted to 4bet light, this villain has a fold button post flop. But we're talking about preflop ranges here. The most important piece of missing information is the villains 3bet range. Without that, we should not be 4 betting light.
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10-22-2013 , 10:48 PM
We have no reason to think he's limping UTG 3betting light, it's usually KK+

I think u should fold preflop, not 4bet

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10-22-2013 , 10:51 PM
Limp reraise is the nuts until proven otherwise.
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10-23-2013 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
Limp reraise is the nuts until proven otherwise.
This. The fact that he min raise u too leads me to believe his range is JJ+ or QQ+. Small chance he has AK, AQ. I would snap fold QQ pre here and shove KK+
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10-23-2013 , 04:09 AM
Didn't read the post, but don't ever look for spots to 4 bet light at 1/3 or 1/2...

All I needed to see was the title.

95 to 99% of villians 3bet range at 1/2 and 1/3 is QQ+ and Ak.
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10-23-2013 , 04:47 AM
Are you saying I'm in the 1%?
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