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07-01-2018 , 07:31 PM

HomelessPizza

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 599

5/5 1k eff

H TT utg2 25
Co (loose passive reg, loves to call down) and sb (terrible fish) both call
Flop 864r (80)
Sb donks 40, I go 115, Co calls, fish folds
Turn 3x (350)
I go 135, Co calls
River 9x (620)
I go 200, He calls and shows QQ

Same exact thing happened recently with JJ vs BTN calling down with KK on low board. Is this a one-off situation that just comes with the territory of playing vs passive opponents? If he 3b pre, I can probably fold turn depending on sizing, and lose a lot less.

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07-01-2018 , 07:45 PM

squid face

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 11,694

not quite - but damn close!

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07-01-2018 , 07:57 PM

venice10

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,974

Nah, you could have lost more. However the next time you feel to urge to bet small because you aren't confident in your hand, check instead.

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07-01-2018 , 08:04 PM

HomelessPizza

grinder

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Originally Posted by venice10

Nah, you could have lost more. However the next time you feel to urge to bet small because you aren't confident in your hand, check instead.

I wasn't unsure of my hand, but I thought a small bet could get looked up by this STN with hands like 78, A8, 77, etc. And I never have to worry about getting bluff raised OTR by this guy.

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07-01-2018 , 09:07 PM

au4all

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

Sb donks 40, I go 115, Co calls, fish folds

Calls or folds?

You probably think the problem is cutoff calls because that's who took your
money. But the real problem is not getting called by better hands, it's folding out worse hands.

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07-01-2018 , 10:29 PM

HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by au4all

Calls or folds?

You probably think the problem is cutoff calls because that's who took your
money. But the real problem is not getting called by better hands, it's folding out worse hands.

????? Co cold called and Sb donker folded. It's not folding out worse, its getting value from a fish who likely is donking with Tpwk or weak draw. When CO cold calls IP, you could make a case to slow down, but he will check back turn with lots of pairs+draws, so I don't want to let him draw for free.

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07-02-2018 , 06:14 AM

venice10

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

I wasn't unsure of my hand, but I thought a small bet could get looked up by this STN with hands like 78, A8, 77, etc. And I never have to worry about getting bluff raised OTR by this guy.

That might be true if you hadn't raised the flop and he cold called you. He's got solid value after that. If he'll call a 1/3 PSB, he would have called more. If you were ahead, you would have lost value with your play.

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07-02-2018 , 11:29 AM

shorn7

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Looks good provided you were b/f river for value.

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07-02-2018 , 11:49 AM

johnnyBuz

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Maybe start with a flop flat.

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07-02-2018 , 04:10 PM

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squid face

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it does not look remotely good. When the co cold calls a flop raise with zero fear of being middled every alarm and warning sign should be going off inside of your head

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07-02-2018 , 04:22 PM

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bigdaddycope

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I like the flop raise to get value and deny equity with our hand against SB donk, but I'm going to slow down on the turn when CO calls.

I don't love it, but we are often behind here even against droolers on this particular board with our hand.

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07-02-2018 , 04:39 PM

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samo

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,254

Playing large pots with one pair hands can be costly. On relatively dry boards and facing resistance, pot control should be a strategic consideration, imho. Especially when facing loose passive opponents.

On this flop texture, I’d flat way more times than raise. Nonetheless, you are facing two chasers, so ok to your raise.

Once the CO calls with SB yet to act, his range should be narrowed. Hands like 87/65/55 could be eliminated or at least underweighted.

Nonetheless, let’s say he is weak enough to call with 55. Do you think a 40% PSB ott will deter his continuing? I don’t think it will, so checking may be more optimal.

River is a 100% check.

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07-02-2018 , 05:42 PM

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aapokermasteraa

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Originally Posted by bigdaddycope

I like the flop raise to get value and deny equity with our hand against SB donk, but I'm going to slow down on the turn when CO calls.

this. we definitely need to x/c turn.

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

Co (loose passive reg....

taking this line, we might be able to x/f the river.

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07-03-2018 , 12:21 AM

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Havok

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This hand reminds me of the way tight passive players play online. I don’t mind the hand that much until the river. Are we really trying to get value from an 8?

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07-03-2018 , 09:09 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by squid face

it does not look remotely good. When the co cold calls a flop raise with zero fear of being middled every alarm and warning sign should be going off inside of your head

Co is described as "loose passive reg, loves to call down". Pretty sure he would float this flop even for a raise with a lot of hands that we beat. Now, you certainly could TRY and slow down on the turn by going into c/c mode, but I don't think the flop flat means we are beat a high % of the time versus this player type.

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