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11-11-2018 , 11:12 PM
Effective stacks 350$ - 1/3

Villian: clearly here to just have some fun not a great player, has like 5 different car keys on his key chain. Seems to call a lot of bets preflop. Doesnt seem nitty post-flop (atleast before this hand)

Me: competent player winning some money. Talking to villian having some fun.

Hand I have AA in early position open to 18 (1 limper before me) Villian calls from the seat next to me. Button calls.

Flop (56) 239 Button checks, I check (To let villians catch up or c/r if villian bets big and seems strong) Villian bets 30$. Button folds I raise to 110$.
Villian goes into the tank and folds and shows KK
Me

Should I always just continue on flop? And does my c/r look to strong, would a c/c be better?
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11-11-2018 , 11:18 PM
Fight the urge to be tricky or “let someone catch up”. If they catch up they beat you. You have the initiative and are expected to cbet. When you check raise instead it looks incredibly strong. If you just continue on the flop in this instance for $40 you may get raised and gii. He’s certainly not folding.
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11-11-2018 , 11:56 PM
Your line here is very strange and extremely nutted. As the PFR, you should mostly be betting, not check/raising.

Against tricky Villain's, you can occasionally work in a check/call range with your big overpairs but that applies to specific situations.

This hand is a very standard bet/bet/bet.
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11-12-2018 , 03:06 AM
As other have mentioned just bet no point being fancy here.
I like a sizing of 35-45 for the cbet,
as for KK folding shrug just makes him exploitable with big bets.

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11-12-2018 , 03:20 AM
Just noticed a mistake - you say BTN is first to act on the flop.

Preflop is fine.

Postflop I think is a case of fancy play syndrome (we all do it). I think a c/r looks too strong as well. Put it this way, what is the worst hand you're c/r here? A FD? I doubt you are c/r QQ very often because it's too vulnerable to a check back from overcards. Nice fold by villain but I wouldn't show.

EDIT: I like bet/bet/bet line also.
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11-12-2018 , 03:33 AM
If you're gonna trap, don't spring it immediately.

And if you're gonna trap, you'd want real bone dry boards. Like 833 where he can't have any sort of straight draw. Then you want them to stab, and maybe hit a hand strong enough to lose more money later (like QJ turn Q).

In this case, this is a very good board to bet. Lots of hands with bad equity vs your holding can continue. If raised, I'd default to just calling
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11-12-2018 , 10:36 AM
cbet the flop, I like c/r with overs sometimes though.
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11-12-2018 , 11:10 AM
Grunch:

Please don't include results in your OP. It biases advice. I'd edit it out, but it's too late. Lots of people have already responded.

Also, why does the button act first??

Last, don't get fancy with one pair. Just bet.
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11-12-2018 , 11:42 AM
assuming you meant BB not button...seems like a terrible play by villain but i like c/c holding the ace of spades
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11-12-2018 , 11:44 AM
Your play is fine...specifically bc you have the A and 2 people yet to act.

Lol at villain having kings.
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11-12-2018 , 12:10 PM
I think checking is fine, but I don't really like check/raise here. I think check/calling is fine since we have the A and can still call if the turn is a spade.
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11-12-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Lol at villain having kings.
Not that I think he's trying to be theoretically balanced, but having no 3-bet range vs an EP 6x raise from the next seat seems fine to me.
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11-12-2018 , 12:46 PM
KK flats pre? lol I love live players such gaping mistakes always!

4 to the flop? Barring a ridiculous EV exception (possibly never) never checking your AA on this board. Check-Checki raising range to hard to balance and completely skewed towards high value range (that’s why you got a rec player to open fold KK to you!)

Cbet flop here all day ...then with everything in poker ...re-evaluate the turn & river

Flop play is to Cbet

Cbet sizing here is a lively conversation starter....
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11-13-2018 , 03:39 AM
Line looks fine. Sometimes we play it well and get owned. The “standard play” at LLSNl is to just bet out but this is arguably our best candidate to check.

I took this line against someone today who had top pair top kicker and be happily stacked off against me. Someone folding kings is an anomaly.
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11-13-2018 , 04:20 AM
no you owned yourself, your range for x/r here is pretty nutted and it's not like you x/r here with 0 equity/low equity bluffs, it's either big draws like 2 overs + FD (usually AQss/AJss, etc) or AA/KK or sets

flop is either a x/c or a bet depending on player tendencies, in theory this is a great spot to check but if no one is bluff raising you nearly enough betting should yield more EV
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11-13-2018 , 04:24 AM
you would have made that exact same move if you had QQ. it was just a spot where a rec player didn't feel comfortable and decided to fold.

maybe work on giving reverse tells?
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11-13-2018 , 09:34 AM
There's some really bad advice in this thread. Your play is 100% fine. The guy is just a nit.
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11-13-2018 , 09:50 AM
I think OP is saying big blind calls, not button.

Given that, this is a bad candidate to check/raise just 3 handed with 1 player left to act after us. Also, your logic for wanting villain to catch up is bad. A lot of times when a villain catches up they end up with the best hand and we'll be left with an under-repped hand that will be very easy for them to get value from.

FWIW, I can get behind check raising this hand if there were more to act behind us. Also, your image matters. If the other players can't imagine you having a flush draw here then this check/raise shouldn't be in your playbook. Your sizing preflop is a bit alarming. It pretty much tells your opponents that you have a strong value hand, so if villain had the King of spades then you have like one or maybe 2 flush draws here at most.

I like villain's preflop flat with kings.
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11-13-2018 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I think OP is saying big blind calls, not button.

Given that, this is a bad candidate to check/raise just 3 handed with 1 player left to act after us. Also, your logic for wanting villain to catch up is bad. A lot of times when a villain catches up they end up with the best hand and we'll be left with an under-repped hand that will be very easy for them to get value from.

FWIW, I can get behind check raising this hand if there were more to act behind us. Also, your image matters. If the other players can't imagine you having a flush draw here then this check/raise shouldn't be in your playbook. Your sizing preflop is a bit alarming. It pretty much tells your opponents that you have a strong value hand, so if villain had the King of spades then you have like one or maybe 2 flush draws here at most.

I like villain's preflop flat with kings.
I hate his flat with KK from this early position. Hes inviting a slew of other callers. Id be fine with it if he called from LP and it was HU.

Also, once he calls to trap like this, his fold to the flop check raise is about as bad as it gets. He needs to stick all his chips in.
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11-13-2018 , 10:51 AM
I do agree with you in general that flatting with kings is not as good in lower stakes games because there are less light 3bets, more light calls, and just less competent villains in general.

We don't know exactly how this table is playing but this is kind of a crappy spot because if we 3bet then we are iso-raising one of the few competent players at the table and our line looks super powerful. If we flat, we do risk this going super multiway. That being said I'm more than happy to go 4 ways to the flop with this hand especially against players that are likely to overplay one pair type hands.
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