Hi all,

1/3 Saturday night/early morning. V is unknown MABG. Hero's first table recently broke. Hero playing $150, V covers.

Four limps to hero in BB who raises to $20 with KcKd. Only V/UTG limper calls.

Flop ($42): Tc-6c-2d. Hero bets $20, V calls.

Turn ($82): 8c. Hero checks, V checks cards and checks behind.

River: 6d. Hero bets $35, V snap string raises AI but it's declared a raise to $100. Hero?

Thanks,
DT

More pre. More flop. Shove turn.

Why are you playing a 50 BB stack...

I’d probably go 25-30 OTF as I think his calling range is fairly elastic. Not going to fold a pair or a draw, and an average 1/3 player isn’t going to randomly float with QJd bc its 20 and not 27. After that, keep betting on the turn and river. We’re so short that our hands are tied and just must go bet bet bet.

+1 to all of this. You kinda butchered this hand.

This is the only answer. This hand is super standard. Can you explain why you bet that size otf and checked turned?

I bet what I would bet with most of my hands in this spot. The turn made the board pretty coordinated, flush got there too.... Seemed like a bad card for me and a good one for V, so I checked for pot control. If he bets and I'm behind I have backup flush draw to call with. If I bet turn and he jammed I wouldn't be loving it.

shoving that turn all day unless you think that your V is laggy enough to bluff off his stack to you if you check to him

As long as you never folded with KK and 50bb, you did fine.

Yes. 20 OTF is bad, size properly $30-35 then shove turn. Easy hand to play here.

Pot control is not a thing when starting 50bb deep and go to the flop with SPR 3

35 otf, jam turn. Short stacking is about creating +EV spots pre/otf and living with the run out.

I think you mean inelastic...he’s not folding flop to any reasonable sizing. I’d pot flop.


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Your opponent called so much preflop that this is basically overthinking the hand. Johnny is right--your only concern should be getting the money in as fast as possible. Sometimes you just have to say "if you have me beat you will get my money", and this is one of those times.

Also, I am not sure why you wouldn't bet more with your whole range on this board.

You’re right on both counts.. even up to pot will work and mostly not be noticed by average Vs

Pot is already $12 by the time it gets to you in BB, so more pre. $25 probably.

Pot flop, shove turn.

Yes, butchered it.

I'm fine with preflop.

SPR is 3 on the flop and board is somewhat drawy and we're committed and no one folds a draw on the draw. I'd PSB the flop to shove the turn. Think we're losing big value by not betting the flop larger. If there hadn't been a flush draw on the flop I wouldn't hate sizing that does this in 3 streets, but with the flush draw we should mostly be leaning to getting stacks in by the turn, imo.

Even though it's not the greatest turn card I still think we should be committing with only 1.5 PSB left (and we do have outs if behind). This is another reason for the big flop bet because it makes for a trivial shove of < PSB even if a scare card comes, and by the river we'll often see enough scary cards to stop us from getting stacks in.

As played it's a weird spot because he could be doing this with T8 but overall we're behind when raised on the river.

The bottom line for me is that preflop setup a brain dead trivially easy postflop spot and yet or some reason we didn't take that easy line.

Gdon'tmakethingsdifficult,imoG

+1

If you're playing a 50bb stack you have to be setting up a lot of bet-flop shove-turn situations. Any pot controlling approach at this stack depth is just going to see you dribble away lots of buy-ins for no reward.

Gotta agree with consensus of play deeper, size up more pre (bc of 4 limpers) , you went 7x so I think that's just a bit too small imo but not a big deal; and def going to bet on the turn , especially having the Kc

$20 with just a $150 stack is more than fine preflop, imo. Heck, with this stack size we don't even really care all that much if it does go very multiway.

GcluelesspreflopsizingnoobG

yea the mistakes made here were post-flop and not playing deeper; I think 25 would be nice sizing pf , probably still go multiway , and just makes it a bit easier to get your money in post flop if pot is bigger

Considering OP butchered a trivial situation (no offense OP!) I have no idea why everyone is encouraging him to BI bigger. Personally I think a $200 stack can be played fairly trivially profitable at 1/3 so I wouldn't let my stack drop below that, but it's not like a $150 stack can't be played profitably.

GcluelessNLnoobG

can't take too much away from a single hand, mistakes happen

We should all look to play deeper than 50 BB's, if we want to evolve as players

As long as our bankroll allows it of course; I like to have a stop loss of 300BB ( min 3 buy ins) or I won't play; some 1/2's let me buy in for 300 which is great

Yeah I was probably pretty tired at this point near the end of the session. It was considerably later than I've been used to playing lately. Oh well.

Played AA much better last night. Potted flop/jammed turn like everyone suggested with this hand. It worked! Both Vs called when behind. Of course I lost the hand anyway, but I played it right so can't be disappointed getting it in a 68% favorite ott.

re-read your own posts with an open mind

1# you didn't top up
2# you acknowledge your tired

now the big one
3# you should have left before this

If you're tired and still going to play, the best decision you can make (apart from quitting) is not topping up.

Gjustsayin';toomanypeoplehunguponstartingstacksize ,imoG