It's a very bad idea, that photo is all someone needs to fraudulently charge things in your name.

Most instructional post since you've been back imo.

Sent From My SGH-T7-69 using 2+2 forums aka Zoltan-Tilt-Monster...look I learned to internet!

I must be getting old because I'm way behind you guys. I am still at the stage where I am impressed by dhcg having made 60k+ so quickly.

dane, stop blaming your inability to coherently put forth your case because of the crappy internet connection. if this is as important to you as it seems then find a solid connection and take some time to concisely put forth your case and answer the questions regarding the stake and detail everything that happened after july24th.

Keeping track of those details and the flow of money was as much your responsibility as his so man up and take responsibility if you've failed to do so and identify exactly which numbers you are sure of and which you are not.

Doing that would go a long way in helping all of us ITT figure out what is owed to whom and once we figure that number out we can move on to the other issues you mention (hotel rooms, hu match, kydd's staking rep, etc).

Bazinga

Sent From My SGH-T7-69 using 2+2 forums aka Zoltan-Tilt-Monster...look I learned to internet!

This is all accurate.

You never got $11k. You had a $6k then July 24th in the afternoon I gave you a $5k strap. That adds up to $11k.

This is the first email I sent you again.

By looking at these numbers and doing some quick math, you paid me exactly $1,000 of your high stakes profit and $3,421 of your lowstakes profit.

The total amount you gave my in Maryland was exactly $4,421. This does not touch the bankroll you had. This is your profit. The bankroll is the $6k you were using for a roll in Vegas + the extra $5k I gave you in addition to that. That's money I gave you, not money you earned, and when the deal is done you have to give that back.

The dispute you're making about how you didn't have $11k we have talked about multiple times. I will post the text conversation when I find it.
I identify what you're describing in the email here:
Session by session results posted below with the only discrepancy being July 25th where you lost $4,400 because the previous day you made $13,054 but we only squared up $8.909 since I left Vegas mid day. We have a text conversation going over all of this information.

We made a prop bet or something that I lost and his deal was changed from a 3BI stoploss to a 4BI stoploss.

Can someone explain to me how that is proof of anything?

The APD comment

Tune in gents. It's about to get interesting.

I'm almost to a solid Internet connection!

I forgot about the rest of this poem

Has always brought me solace when I perceived things as bad

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

dhcg owes 11k imo

how much do you think you owe dhcg? Kydd has said that 11k is accurate why shouldn't we believe him?

The text message of you saying you need 15k to make even, did you see that text?

It tells the story of you owing 11k plus 4k of profits which totals to 15k. Without that text. This story would still be a mess.

You owe 11k, now let's get to the point of rooms, hu and other expenses. Why don't you think you owe now?

sigh

relevant imo

1:05-1:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtxMlQMqKE4



1:45-2:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6OU_8zkvw4

how is the connection good enough to find/post a long poem but not include anything about the actual subject at hand?

This post is a pretty hard evidence that dhcg is somewhere else...

ladies and gentlemen, we see before us a car crash happening in slow motion

This is turning into a joke or level. Wtf?

I might understand what d is saying about never having 11k. He said he had 6k and then lost 4.4k which left him with 1.6k. Kidd then added 5k which totaled 6.6k in his head.

Maybe that's the disconnect? I don't know their makeup deal.

I first have to say I would consider myself good friends with both Dhcg86 and Kydd so I am not going to take sides here. They are both stand up honest guys, I don't believe either are out to scam each other. When I entering the staking arrangement with Kydd everything was clear to me as far as how profits would be chopped. I kept precise records of my play in my phone and on my laptop. I made sure to make note of dates and amounts whenever we squared up. Kydd also kept diligent records on his laptop. I know Dane always kept track of his play using poker journal, I am not aware if Dhcg86 kept track of each transaction as far as bankroll and squaring up.

I was there the day they played HU and I remember they squared up the same day it didn't seem to be an issue. I think since Dhcg86 played the match using Kydd's money it only makes sense that he owes the same cut as if he was playing anyone else.

I don't understand how Dhcg86 can say Kydd was a bad coach after the phenomenal results he has posted since working with him.

I think the staking dispute should be discussed separately from the comped rooms and whatnot.

I am not really sure what else I can add to the discussion. I think it would have been much better if they had handled this face to face rather than in soap opera fashion on 2+2. I hope everything gets worked out.

I think that dhcg also thinks that he owes Kydd $11,000 as BR, but he did not account for profit sharing of whatever he made since that time.

$11,000 BR

+

Profit sharing (x)

=

$11,000 + x > $11,000

So even if dhcg had $11,000 to give to Kydd in Maryland, he would still owe Kydd x amount whether Kydd labels x as part of 11k BR or part of profit sharing is irrelevant.

OMG. Anyone remember one of those Limon interviews where he says "You can get staked, and you can be best ****ing buddies. You can be Jesus and ****ing God.. But, that ALWAYS ENDS IN DISASTER".

well, see DHCG, its disaster.

I wish it was a joke. What you described and what I described end up being the same amount of money owed to me. If he lost the $4.4k and we squared up, then he would be $4.4k in makeup and have a $6.6k bankroll. It's the same number, it doesn't matter how it's squared up. He lost that $4.4k, but he also made that back +$9,773 on top of that. Since we didn't square up when he lost, we only squared up after he had a net win, then his bankroll doesn't suffer a hit, we just split profit. Had he showed a net loss, I would take the net loss of his bankroll total, and then potentially add more money to his roll.

As an outsider looking in, it seems pretty clear that Dhcg owes Kydd $11k. Kydd's provided details regarding exact amounts and splits, Dhcg has provided vague allegations and Kipling verses. Not sure how Dhcg can argue that he doesn't owe, especially when he made a post stating that he owed Kydd money and admits to personal spending out of his staking BR. As to the exact amount, since Kydd's provided a breakdown of the money trail he has to get the benefit of the doubt unless Dhcg can prove otherwise (which it doesn't seem he can given that he can't even remember how much Kydd took from him in Maryland).

After reading through Dhcg's posts, it really seems like he's the one who actually needs help, since they're mostly incoherent ramblings. Really hope he gets it too since I enjoyed his PG&C thread and he seems to be a solid player who just needs to get his head on straight.

I just want to say that I was the one who first posted that poem on HUSnG Regs thread.

Continue gentlemen.

Well said Pure and I think that is the general consensus here in the thread.