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hmm

1. he lied about his winrates (I have solid proof)
2. he lied about his arizona ice tea lawsuit. (he confided in me that he ingested glass on purpose so he could sue and win money)
3. he constantly changed the terms of our staking agreement so that he could make more money, put down his horses, and control us in an incredibly abusive enviroment. (many instances/proof of this, although other horses may wish to remain anonymous, which is cowardly, but acceptable)
4.Kydd cheated/stole/took about 3k after I beat him for 9k as we played HU. This goes against all logic and it goes against earlier agreements we had made
5. Kydd lied and continues to lie about his networth,which directly affects my ability to move up and grind higher

there are more I am sure but I need to organize my thoughts a bit more (purpose of this thread)

I made this thread because I realized that I was living another life as a victim and I refuse to do that ever again.

Kydd was also preparing to scam more people with his fake and suboptimal coaching, and I want to make sure nobody else gets hurt

additionally, Chad needs help. Its not his fault that he has so many problems, but it is his fault that he refuses to address them and that he continues to lie

1. Most players do.

2. I am sure half the people that read the thread thought this could be possible. It's 2013. Every time someone falls down working for me, I am ready to be sued. My question is; why do you bring this up without offering the proof? NEVER make an accusation without bringing the facts to back it up with you.

3. How did he change these? Give the money back and walk away if its so bad? Typically, if you are winning money, balls in your court as the stakee, within reason at least. Did he suddenly say you no longer PS 70% and only get 55% now? Were you down and he was trying to recoup makeup faster?

4. When did you play HU? Was there a third party there? How did he cheat (either the 3rd party saw it, or you knew you were being cheated and let it happen)? Sure some players can get a little degen in them... Were you playing for makeup/with stake money? Either way, its his already. My guess is it is the 3k you showed up to MD with? Sounds like a chance I would have never given you.

5. Who cares. You have his money. It doesn't matter how much he has. Use your own money or find a different backer if you don't like what games he lets you play.

I am looking at being staked by him now. I searched his name as I always do, and am glad I found this thread.

And I greatly appreciate people bringing up suspect individuals in the forums. It's saved me a lot of money over the years. But right now, Kid doesn't seem to be the issue here...

Give us a little more substance.. Would love to hear from other horses.

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09-03-2013 , 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bwslim69

So far that is my read as well but I agree with Rumor

Lmao

09-03-2013 , 02:29 PM

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I can't find the first post, but he makes small talk and apparently asks about games in Pgh in relation to FL. I have a few responses of mine in a row. I couldn't find all his PMs (sure I could if I looked harder). I left all of mine in though because it's in the irrelevant stages of our conversation and you can pretty much see what he's asking me by my response.

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

I actually haven't played in FL so I don't know, but Pittsburgh is softer than anywhere else I've ever played.

My deal with each player has different numbers, but I always make $1,000 and depending on their skill level/win rate.

So, for instance, one horse will make $3,000 and I will get $1,000 and he will get $2,000. another will get $4,000 when I get $1,000. I pay all the losses, and we split the money however they want. For instance, if they need to pay their rent and they have a winning session of $500, instead of getting out of makeup, or splitting the profit, they have an option to take it all if they need it.

I also coach the whole way, and I up their deal as I see fit.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86

oh thats good to know, I wasnt specifically asking for a stake or anything was just curious

fwiw, if you ever need to xfer money around the US just have an an account at chase or wells or BoA and have your horses open the same type of account

that way you can just deposit and withdrawl as you please around the country; all you need to deposit is the acct number, anyone can deposit cash at any time

0 fees

you can also use checks, or paypal

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Are you in the Pittsburgh area? I guage it by watching them play and their results.

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Ya, that's a bit too much hassle to pay all those money transfer fees otherwise I probably would.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86

fwiw, I would be interested in talking numbers and if you need references, I have a good amount

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Thanks for the banking tip. Talking numbers for what? A deal?

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Originally Posted by dhcg86

yea I am a huge life nit so staking appeals to me more than getting a real job.

I hate not having a few k to my name which is hard when trying to have a BR, not work, and pay rent

so I am interested in some kinda stake, and I have tons of references and of course the dhcg86 guarantee, which is that I never leave a stake in makeup, even if the money has to come out of my pocket

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Man I would love to if you lived anywhere near me, but I honestly just don't want to go through the hassle of going to the bank to transfer money all the time. I also like to live sweat anyone I stake because it's much easier to catch all the mistakes.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86

well tbh Ive been thinking of taking a year off; I need a change. if youre serious, I would honestly more out there, nbd

We exchange numbers after this and the rest is via text. As you can see, there is no deception on my end or mention of winrates.

09-03-2013 , 02:35 PM

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Dane,

Why all of the sudden are you referring to Kydd's coaching as "suboptimal"?

Before all of this started you never referred to it as anything but optimal or above average so I'm just curious.

09-03-2013 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Theduke211

Dude, this add nothing but gasoline to the fire. If you aren't adding anything relating to the subject, please refrain from posting.

09-03-2013 , 02:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dhcg86

yea I am a huge life nit so staking appeals to me more than getting a real job.

I hate not having a few k to my name which is hard when trying to have a BR, not work, and pay rent

so I am interested in some kinda stake, and I have tons of references and of course the dhcg86 guarantee, which is that I never leave a stake in makeup, even if the money has to come out of my pocket

Sounds a little fishy.

09-03-2013 , 02:41 PM

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These are the emails we sent.

Upon his request and the request of his new backer I sent our staking agreement to both of them.

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Our deal was as follows:
-Low stakes games (anything below $5/$10) were put on one ledger, and high stakes game ($5/$10+) were put on another ledger.
-I did not cover any Limit Hold'em or PLO action.
-There was a 4BI stoploss.
-Both low and high stakes were broken into their own deals of $3,000 increments in which I received $1,000 of.
-An agreement was made to never leave a stake in makeup. The "Dane Garnica guarantee."
-Tips were to come out of pocket.
-There was also an agreement that money allocated for a bankroll would only be used on poker.
-We would square up every Wednesday, or in extenuating circumstances, the next time we saw each other.

We last squared up on mid day Wednesday, July 24. The numbers after we squared up were as follows:
Low Stakes: Chad: $519 Dane: $1,000
High Stakes: Chad: $1,000 Dane: $1,280
Bankroll: $11,000

From July 24 - August 31st results looked like this.

Net Total:
Low Stakes: $7, 902
High Stakes: $1,871

Session by session results posted below with the only discrepancy being July 25th where you lost $4,400 because the previous day you made $13,054 but we only squared up $8.909 since I left Vegas mid day. We have a text conversation going over all of this information.

Our current numbers look like this:
Low Stakes: Chad: $1,000 Dane: $421
High Stakes: Chad: $1,000 Dane: $151
Bankroll: $11,000

I'm owed $11,000 and you technically owe yourself $3,428 of unearned money. None of the $11,000 has been returned to me. Hypothetically, had you lost $2,000 in your last session the numbers would look like this...
Low Stakes: Chad: -$1,000 Dane: $421
High Stakes: Chad: $1,000 Dane: $151
Bankroll: $9,000

I would be owed $9,000 of bankroll money, and the completion of our deal which is $2,000 = $11,000 total. You would owe yourself an unearned $3,428. Each $3,000 deal is in itself a new contract that needs fulfilled. I don't care if you fill out your end of it, but mine gets filled because it's what we agreed upon. If you knew you wanted to end the stake and told me ahead of time as my other horses did, we would have a plan as to what to do with any overlay from the deal.

Dhcg responds:

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Is there anything else you wish to add?

I'm going to send you a bill for the hotel rooms and stuff that you used, just like you did to me when we first got to Borgata. Weekend rates are pretty steep so be prepared to pay a bit more than originally came to mind. In your words "I earned those comps", so you're going to be have to reimburse me there aswell. (you're own logic, not mine)

There is also the issue of the 33% cut or whatever that you took after you lost to me in our HU match, so you need to find a way to reconcile that

also you moved me up to $2250/$1000 and then moved me back down because of whatever crazy reason you made up to yourself. That violated the initial terms which were, and I quote " I will never give you a worse deal"

There is also a few other choice words like

"I will never drop you, I will always have enough money to keep you in action etc"

In addition to that you also said that if I were to ever leave and it happened to be that I was in some makeup that you would pay me out and dismiss the makeup if I had earned you enough money. It is a reasonable assumption that 25K of profit is a decent chunk of change

So you need to explain your thought process there as well

Id also like proof of these agreements if you have any, otherwise its going to be my word vs yours and just to warn you, you're going to lose that battle if you try to lie about anything

There might be some other things but I'm not sure yet. I'll write them down and email them to you as they come to me.

If you have an issue with any the above please address it via email and state the logic behind whatever conclusion you come to

I respond:

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I don't know what happened to you or us man. I feel like you're just deeply hurt about something, and I can't fix it. This isn't the person I know. It's sad to me, I have no idea what happened. I told you I wasn't going to argue with you anymore because I felt disrespected by our initial conversation. Next thing I know, I take a nap and you're gone.

I gave you a better cut for taking care of hotel rooms and buying random supplies. It had nothing to do with your play. It was because I was using your floss, you bought me toothbrushes, phone chargers, and lots of other small stuff as well as taking care of hotel reservations. I made it clear on more than one occasion that's what it was for. When you were no longer booking my hotel rooms, living with me, and buying stuff, I returned the deal to the normal rate. That increase was a bump from non poker stuff. So, in a way, I did pay you for the hotel rooms. You also used 3 days a week of my comps while you were there.

You knew when we played HU that I was getting a cut. We were only playing a half hour. You said after the fact that it wasn't a good idea because I was still getting a cut, and decide to never do it again. We didn't agree prior that it would be with no cut, or I wouldn't have had you play on my bankroll.

I did say that if you ever left in makeup and you had made a significant amount of money that I would forgive debt. $25k is significant. You made the claim you would pay it back too, but I will honor what I said, and take whatever you lost your last session off of what you owe.

As far as my choice words, I didn't drop you, and I never would have had you stayed with me. I said that under the premiss you were going to be in the same state as me because from the start of our stake I told you I was not willing to stake someone in another state. That's why you moved to Pittsburgh in the first place. I also did have enough money to keep you in action. I gave you $11k and you spent a lot of it on your personal life without my permission. I can't be held responsible for that.

More importantly,
I still love you like a brother regardless of how this works out. You need to know that. It really seems like something we aren't discussing is bothering you a lot that you haven't brought up with me and this staking stuff is all just a shell to not talk about that. I don't know what I can do to help you get through a difficult time, but I will listen to you any time.
People don't have drastic revelations about their past and heal over night. You had a revelation, but your feelings of hurt don't disappear just because you understand something better You need to take time to heal past wounds and go through a process of moving on. Whether the wounds be from something I did or said, or something someone else did or said to you.

I'm never going to hate you, I'm never going to be your enemy, and no matter how long we go without talking, you can always hit me up and discuss anything you'd like.

Dhcg Responds:

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Well put. I will consider these things and replay later once I get some sleep

There have been too many lies for me to trust what you say at this point and I have verified such things with those around me

Although it is possible that I am mistaken, the evidence would say otherwise

I'd like you to forward me the results that you spoke of when we initiated staking. Its important that you can prove your claims of 50/hr at 1/3 and 200hr at 5/10 over a large sample size, especially since you plan on staking other people.

I don't believe that you did that, and until you can prove that you did, I am going to say that you are lying about that as well

Some people do actually have the ability to change overnight.

In regards to the hotel, there are 14 nights that you're going to be responsible for where I didn't stay there.

Because the rooms were used on Friday nights and Saturday nights the rate at which they are valued isroughly $250 and $350. It appears that there are seven on each day.

I am deeply hurt by the deceit that you have lived since we have met. You don't have to life a life of lies, those fears are in your head.

Come clean about everything you have ever lied to me about and perhaps we can continue to speak.

I just need to come to a number that we both agree upon so I can get that paid to you as quickly as possible.

I respond:

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I sent my previous year, but unfortunately the first half is deleted because it was on my old laptop. You can ask Nick about my $1/$3 hourly and if he estimates it to be correct. He witnessed a lot of my playing at low stakes, and would know about my reputation in the room for beating the games. You can also see the date that those results were last modified. I haven't done the math to see what the hourly adds up to.

The only thing I've ever lied about that I can think of was my liquid net worth. I made a lot playing poker and lost a lot playing blackjack. It's something I never wanted to discuss really because no one likes to admit their faults and blackjack was my vice for a long time. I had made my said net worth, but it wasn't liquid, though I still had and continue to have plenty of liquid cash. The lie was more to myself than it was to you. I didn't want to admit that I had dusted off an amazing sum of money playing blackjack. I didn't want to admit to myself that I had a problem. Since I accumulated a decent sum of money, I never gambled an amount that lead me anywhere close to ruin or in danger of having less than $150k liquid.

As far as the hotel is concerned, that is an issue completely separate from our staking agreement. That is something you chose to do at the time. I gave you a better deal as a thank you for doing something generous. There was never an agreement to pay you back for comps, and you never said you would do it for free "Because you like helping your friends". Had I know I had to pay for them I clearly would have used my own comps to book weekends. This is a completely separate issue. You're still liable for our staking agreement, regardless of things that happened outside our agreement. If you want to discuss issues that happened outside of our agreement like who paid for a meal, or whose comps were used for a hotel room, and you have receipts for all that, then we can, but for right now, lets settle the staking deal.

I think it would be very beneficial to have Nick mediate a discussion between us concerning the money owed. Even though you are better friends with him, I trust that he is a very honest and ethical person and I consider him a neutral party.

09-03-2013 , 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Dude, this add nothing but gasoline to the fire. If you aren't adding anything relating to the subject, please refrain from posting.

I beg to differ. If I am possibly going to play under Kid , I want to ask and have these questions addressed. But after reading other threads by both, I know where I stand now. Albeit in just the very beginning stages of a stake, (a couple PM's), I care.

What I find valuable and what you do, can be very different.

09-03-2013 , 02:44 PM

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Without reading posts from last few days, I would have thought that dhcg is on very good term with SABR and Kydd.

Then there was a post about epiphany, and all of sudden, everything seems to blow up from the new revelation on life.

09-03-2013 , 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Theduke211

Ya, but that's between you and Kydd on a separate matter, not relating to the subject of this thread.

We're discussing what has happened between the two parties. You are not part of it.

09-03-2013 , 02:48 PM

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I don't want to put anyone in an awkward situation by asking them to comment on anything, but if anyone I staked wants to even give a little insight as to whether or not they feel abused by me or cheated/deceived I would really appreciate it. I even welcome Rapini (though I highly doubt he cares to comment on this) to say something. We publicly don't care for each other, but as a logical person, I don't see how he could deny that dhcg owes me the money I gave him.

09-03-2013 , 02:51 PM

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Dhcg has seemed a little "off" the past week or so. Maybe he's just in a rough spot or something right now.

09-03-2013 , 02:53 PM

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One incident should not determine your faith as a horse. In fact kydd is helping you out just but offering it to you. It would probably be best if you didn't respond. That would be the smart route.

09-03-2013 , 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Ya, but that's between you and Kydd on a separate matter, not relating to the subject of this thread.

We're discussing what has happened between the two parties. You are not part of it.

09-03-2013 , 02:58 PM

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Randall dhcg gave me the impression that kydd's advice is gold. Basically saying it was top secret information. Like kydd was his god or something. Now he is saying his coaching is terrible and doesn't want him to scam other people. If a guy can give a horse 11k to grind in another state. Obviously he is very confident in his own abilities as a coach and a poker player. No fraud would do that. On top of that dhcg sounds like he is making threats and kydd is the one being nice in the emails. Sounds like he still got love for you dhcg. Sucks that it had to go this route.

09-03-2013 , 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Well, I don't see how anyone can really say that without harder evidence than these alleged PMs.

09-03-2013 , 03:01 PM

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dhcg has shared quite a bit of how he felt about Kydd in the chat thread, and prior to this incident, all of his comments relating to Kydd were very positive.

I don't know Kydd and I was under the impression that Kydd's a stud from reading the chat thread.

09-03-2013 , 03:03 PM

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Yes.

Quite frankly, it seems like this is personal to DHCG, and it's causing him to make some statements that are very far from what he had previously said.

It does not help his credibility.

09-03-2013 , 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

One incident should not determine your faith as a horse. In fact kydd is helping you out just but offering it to you. It would probably be best if you didn't respond. That would be the smart route.

I'm out of this thread after this. But you couldn't be more wrong.

One incident is plenty. And I simply asked for insight into some things brought up. Most of that has been addressed so far. There are a million variables that can make a stake a poor one. Of the most important, credibility, moral compass, honesty, etc. It does matter.

Just because someone is a staker, doesn't make them right all the time, or credible.

He's not helping me. I have a career, and money. I don't "need" poker. I am probably about as EV as any horse you can find at the limits I'd play.

But that said, DHCG needs to bring some solid facts to this or he definitely owes this $.

09-03-2013 , 03:06 PM

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I am going to draw on some experiences I had about a decade ago and quote what I feel is the most cogent part of this thread to the entire dispute and discussion.

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he was talking about all these raves he went to, doing acid

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all these raves he went to, doing acid

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doing acid

09-03-2013 , 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

Dhcg has seemed a little "off" the past week or so. Maybe he's just in a rough spot or something right now.

He is in a rough spot. The morning of the day he left, we shared a bed together. He was rubbing my head, talking to me, confiding in me, and literally in tears talking about how much I mean to him.

We didn't get in a fight. A few hours later, I'm sleeping and he sneeks off without saying anything to me. I don't think it's a coincidence that it was when he busted either. He didn't want to face that he had blown a lot of the BR money I gave him, and now lost the rest. He didn't want to admit he did something wrong. It couldn't be his fault the money was gone. It had to be someone's fault...

09-03-2013 , 03:08 PM

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Kydd, maybe you shouldn't share intimate details between you and dhcg.

Those are between you two.

09-03-2013 , 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite

Holy Christ.

09-03-2013 , 03:09 PM

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Rubbing your head tmi, lol.

09-03-2013 , 03:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Ya, but that's between you and Kydd on a separate matter, not relating to the subject of this thread.

We're discussing what has happened between the two parties. You are not part of it.

TBH, it isn't your place to decide who gets to post in this thread or not. Technically, this is only between Kydd and dhcg. It was open to everyone asking questions. I can certainly see that a potential horse would have far more interest than a bystander like most of the rest of us. Theduke211, you're welcome to stick around as long as you like.

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