1/3 NLHE 9 handed

Main V - One of the best players in the room if not the best. Has been playing for years at low stakes and tracking his stats. Plays as high as 10/20 but is only really bankrolled for 1/3 and 2/5 because he has a simple day job. He's quite good at poker by my standards, LAG, borders on maniac/spew sometimes. He can x/raise river as a bluff for example. Almost always coming in for a 3-bet. He views me as a bit nitty.

Stacks are all about 400-500$, H has 400$. V covers from CO.

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H sees K K and opens 10 UTG, one fish calls MP, V looks like he's about to squeeze but then just calls from CO, another fish calls BTN, SB calls. 5-ways 2nd to act.

Flop 50 - 8 8 5

Checks through

Turn 50 - 6

SB check, Hero check, MP fish check, V bets 15, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero raises to 75, MP fish folds, V thinks and calls, SB folds. HU OOP.

River 215 - J

Hero?

How many best players in the room who all play 1 3 are there in your room?!

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Without actual poker reads it's difficult to offer any advice.

The turn card does not look like one where you want to suddenly play a bigger pot so typically I'd just call and try to show down by bluff catching a reasonable sized river bet. The LAG will bet it for you

Could go either way on flop but the check thru was like an air ball so continue with the story you whiffed

Also: can you open larger preflop and get action?

C/r turn is very bad

We only have a 1/3 and 1/2 game due to local gambling laws. Saturdays can see a 2/5 and theres 10/20 and 25/50 by invitation sometimes.

I don't know why we'd want to check-raise turn with an overpair on a paired flushing board. Check-call check-call seems very reasonable particularly against this opponent.

I don't know what worse calls a river bet except AsJx. Check river, not sure how we want to respond to a bet. Calling is probably still reasonable to a reasonable sized bet. Not quite sure why I'm being so reasonable in this post.

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If villain really is aggressive, check call river I think. I think he bets a lot of flush draws on flop if he's aggressive. Close between that and maybe something like bet 1/3 and call a jam, but I think you run into some value hands thay beat you here where he just bet small on turn assuming everyone else weak.

Turn IDK, I don't hate it if you sense weakness, I think betting half pot yourself also makes sense.

$10 is just so tiny. If he's that aggressive, pull a gg and limp/raise. Or go bigger.

Not sure about x/raise on turn, but now that we are here, x/call.

Personally, I cbet the flop and move from there.

As played, c/r turn seems like a big overplay. I mean, you judged your hand too weak to c-bet flop, and now you c/r on a turn which completes potential straights and flushes?
Or was your original plan to c/r flop?

Imo, on this turn, and after checking flop, our hand becomes basically a bluff catcher, so I would just c/c.

As played, the river is a complete blank, so I guess you are supposed to barrell quite often with both your value and bluffs.
The problem is that your actual hand is neither one nor the other, imo.
I don't know, probably checking and hoping that V doesn't bet too big.

i think the x/r is too big to expect c/c river to be viable (dont see how he really b/c the turn without sdv and if he does why he would turn it into a bluff otr vs what is supposed to be a very polar range). i get the plan was probably not to x/r and then we saw this sizing and sb call but i might still just c/c. ap i'd block bc it seems the least bad of the choices. don't think u should look at this board and think wow go time w kk multiway though (it's also a pretty difficult board to find too many combos that want to b/c the turn and call a river bet that you beat).

the legislation thing makes sense re villain descriptions but it's hard to take them seriously if they're occasionally playing private 10/20 or 25/50 and most of the time grind 1/3. i think you're doing yourself a disservice to view them as high stakes regs in that case. i would just approach them as midstakes regs and go from there (look at solver and not be intimitdated every time you're in a hand with them)

I obviously limp in.

Quite multiway to an SPR of 8. So basically, I'm never looking to stack off with just an overpear here and play accordingly. So I'm cool with the strength disguising / pot controlling / see what everyone else does OOP flop check.

I would just flat the small turn bet and call. There's a lot of stuff that is crushing us, I'm basically just attempting to get to showdown for a reasonable price with a somewhat disguised hand, I don't want to get blown off my boat/flush draw, and I don't want to build a pot multiway. Overplayed on the turn, imo.

I would definitely start with a check on the river because I don't see this guy paying off with worse. The question is whether we should call a bet (since all of the turn draws busted). Very stoopid / gross spot where big mistakes can now easily be made against this guy.

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PRE - raise bigger. C'mon. Make it $15.

FLOP - Checking from OOP with three opponents left to act seems fine.

In this configuration, on this flop texture, with loose splashy V's, I wouldn't hate a pot-sized c-bet, or even an over-bet.

TURN - As played on flop, might as well check.

We're not folding out straights or flushes. We're basically hoping to river the 2nd nut flush, or boat up, or that someone will slide in here with some worse PP.

Kind of like the check-raise over V's 30% pot bet. Doubtful he's got a super-strong hand here, when he takes this sizing. Seems like he'll have a ton of bluffs when action checks to him twice.

RIVER - Let's bet our hand for value. Probably betting full pot.

Result:

Nice hand, Banana. I'm probably the only one here who will tell you "well played".

After posting my reply, I read all the other posts, and felt like I had to explain why I liked your turn check-raise. I typed out a bunch of stuff about how he could have 99 or 77 with a spade, plus some other hands that might make sense, which you beat, but then figured I'd just get flamed for it, and deleted it.

7s7x and 9s9x do make sense here, after the reveal.

I understand why most people would hate your turn x/r. It's unorthodox, and could blow up in our face. But once you make that play, and V flat calls, I think we can bet our hand for value on the river, and expect V to call with some non-believing PP's (like 77 and 99), and perhaps some AsJx or J9o/J7o that runs into top pair.

Play the player. If this guy's a decent LAG, he's going to consider squeezing pre pretty wide, and he's going to stab the turn pretty wide when action checks to him twice. He's going to have a lot more hands than turned flushes.

He's going to turn some of those turn semi-bluffs into river bluff-catchers, because your line doesn't look like a flush, and he probably doesn't believe you'd play a big PP this way.