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07-09-2022 , 06:15 AM

Evil Empire36

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 256

2-5 effective stacks 2500
Table is 8 handed
Villain in the BB is a recreational player who’s on tilt and been throwing his cards when he folds and his chips. Real jerk.
Hero is on the button with K♥︎T♥︎ Utg straddle 4 limps hero raises to 60. Two calls one being the BB.
Flop 200 K♦︎2♠︎6♥︎ checks to hero who bets 75. Bb calls Villain 2 folds
Turn 350 7♥︎. checks to hero who bets 225. Villain calls
River 800. J♥︎ completing the flush draw for me. Villain surprises me and donks into me for 275. My question is being this deep we don’t want to reopen the betting with a raise here do we?

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07-09-2022 , 07:35 AM

Dan GK

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Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 643

Whoa, how could this ever not be a raise? If he is block betting with the nuts to induce a raise, good for him.

This looks like an incredible spot for you.

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07-09-2022 , 05:49 PM

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,056

Must-raise. Villain very unlikely to have the nut flush on this action.

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07-09-2022 , 07:51 PM

Grease

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,459

I’m going broke here against a tilting *******. I raise here to ~1k.

Has he been spewing or just being a jerk? Given your description I’d need a really good reason to not raise and go with it here.

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07-09-2022 , 07:57 PM

Joe-exotic69

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Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 1,302

Raise to 900-1k and puke call if he jams

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07-09-2022 , 09:14 PM

Petrucci

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Of course we want to raise here for fat value. This is a dream spot gifted to you against a tilted fish on the table being deepstacked. Just calling here because you are afraid of raising and running into the nutz is leaving tons of money on the table.

If you arent comfortable raising this hand in this spot against a tilted fish, then you have too much money on the table and need to pickup asap. Simple as that really.

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07-10-2022 , 10:30 AM

AceDeuceSuited

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Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 262

Noob perspective:

No, this absolutely has to be a raise here.

It's very, very unlikely he's ending up here with Axhh -- the only reason you ended up here was you had top pair to go with the backdoor draw.

Yes, he could very easily be bluffing here and he snap-folds to your raise, but if you raise you're much more likely to get called down by worse (maybe a set or two-pair, maybe a small chance of a worse flush) than by better.

In fact, given your description, he could be defending his big blind with any two cards and have some weird 2-pairs that he thinks are disguised and is going for value against Kx that he'd be afraid would check back.

Definitely raise.

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07-10-2022 , 05:07 PM

statmanhal

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,987

Ignoring all factors such as villain characterization and bet action, with 8 hearts remaining in the deck, the chance villain holds (and wins) with Ah Xh is less than 1%.

Clearly the math supports aggressive action by hero.

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07-10-2022 , 09:56 PM

javi

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lmao V has A2hh or 34hh or some slowplayed 66/77 and thinks he's got you. Or he's just on such monkey tilt he thinks he can just execute a random bluff and hope for the best. Easiest jam in the world.

Might want to consider a bigger raise pre next time though, more like $80-$100. 4x straggle +1 for each caller +another for being OOP.

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07-10-2022 , 10:06 PM

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Evil Empire36

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 256

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Originally Posted by statmanhal

The 1% happened lol. He had A high flush and stacked me.

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07-10-2022 , 10:15 PM

#11

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by Evil Empire36

The 1% happened lol. He had A high flush and stacked me.

It happens. WP.

Of course you probably wouldn't be here if he had just folded, or called and lost, so the Bayesian probability was probably 50% you were going to say that!

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07-11-2022 , 12:39 AM

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javi

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Originally Posted by Evil Empire36

The 1% happened lol. He had A high flush and stacked me.

What was his precise hand? Curious if he was playing for any backdoor draw beside a suckout

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07-11-2022 , 01:05 AM

#13

Joe-exotic69

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Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 1,302

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Originally Posted by hitchens97

It happens. WP.

Of course you probably wouldn't be here if he had just folded, or called and lost, so the Bayesian probability was probably 50% you were going to say that!

More like 100%

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07-11-2022 , 12:22 PM

#14

Double K

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Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 618

Always a raise prolly to like 1k. His hand looks like KJ a lot. When he shoves for 2k total we can start considering a fold..
Tho it’s very hard to get away while he’s tilted and can overplay a lower flush

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07-12-2022 , 08:30 PM

#15

AceDeuceSuited

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Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 262

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Originally Posted by Evil Empire36

The 1% happened lol. He had A high flush and stacked me.

Ridiculously unlucky.

Reiterating someone else's question, what was his other card?

I can see taking his line from the turn onward, but what the hell is he sticking around on the flop with? A2hh? AQhh? He called an almost 40% pot bet with someone left to act behind with, at best, bottom pair and a backdoor draw, or maybe backdoor flush/straight combo.

His hand was extremely well concealed only because he had no business getting to the river with that holding. Can't fault yourself for the result.

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07-14-2022 , 10:44 AM

#16

btcwinner88

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Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 212

Always raising... we never flat the 2nd nuts on the river vs a block bet....

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07-14-2022 , 11:42 AM

#17

ChaosInEquilibrium

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I would raise to at least 80 pre due to the straddle and 4 limps.

Obvious raise GII on river. Really unlikely cooler if you lose on the end. If Vil is any good you only lose to A2hh

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07-14-2022 , 12:19 PM

#18

jdr0317

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Raise to $1k and make a decision against a jam.

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07-14-2022 , 12:31 PM

#19

Evil Empire36

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 256

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Originally Posted by javi

What was his precise hand? Curious if he was playing for any backdoor draw beside a suckout

Was A4 so back door wheel draw.

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07-17-2022 , 12:41 AM

#20

WereBeer

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A4hh is pretty terrible. Was expecting AQhh so at least calling flop isn't horrific.

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