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03-12-2017 , 10:41 AM
First of all, i thank everyone for contributing to the website. Long time reader first time OP.

Here ($720): Mid 20s. Winning image, played for few hours and not getting out of line much. I am a TAG but people see me as LAG.

V ($covers): Pretty straight forward, limps a lot as the game normally does. Havnt seen him make any weird bets or anything silly.

This game is a $2/$2 with max buy in of $300. Generally a passive loose game.

3 limpers
Hero raises to $15 (button) KQ
SB calls
BB calls
UTG calls (Villian)
UTG+1 calls
MP+2 calls

Flop $90 pot

973

All check to;
Hero - Bets $45
UTG+1 - calls
everyone else folds

I do not see any reason to check, people with a pair of 9s or blank A draw are calling, and sets.

Turn $180

4

V: Checks
Hero bets $99

I bet weird amounts all the time so this is normal. Sets and A calls here almost always.

V: Raises to $250 ($150 more)

Now i think does he really have the nuts? could he do this with A9? or 8T types of combos?
There is approx $350-$380 in my stack if i call.
He could have every combination of Ax,sets and some flushes JT and Ax


I think the problem with the hand for me to work out what i could have done differently is it cant be right to bet fold the second nuts? is this a spot with 350 BB just get it in and hope for no repeats and no more hearts? I also cant see why i would want to check back the turn and call all rivers?

Last edited by icedcoffee45; 03-12-2017 at 10:52 AM.
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03-12-2017 , 11:09 AM
I'd bet the flop bigger. You'll still get calls by A, sets, and two pair. Same on the turn.

The river depends on your villain. From his preflop limp-call he probably has all sets, all suited connectors, and all AX. But you block the 2nd and 3rd nut flushes. Would he play a baby flush this way? A set?

Since you have position and it's a small bet, I like a call here. If the board pairs, then he's likely to slow down with his flushes, so you can safely fold to a big river bet. If, say, the 2 comes in, then he's likely to check his smaller flushes (putting you on the ace), and you might consider a value bet. And, of course, some of the time you'll see the beautiful A on the river and you'll have the nuts.

You're deep enough that there's plenty of room to play poker still. Call, get more information, and play the river. This is a straightforward villain. He's not gonna turn a made hand into a bluff on the river.
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03-12-2017 , 11:13 AM
Just call down. You can fold a 1 card 2nd nut flush but not 2 card version. Don't overthink this.

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03-12-2017 , 11:14 AM
Welcome to the forum. Nicely written up first OP.

Pre is good. More on the flop, please. Another heart will usually kill your action or your hand, plus you flopped the second nuts. Get that value. Make it at least 2/3 pot.

AP, turn is OK with only one V left and only one card to come, but I'd still make it bigger.

Never folding to his raise with the second nuts if we didn't also make Q-high flushes impossible, but since we block so much of his potential lower hh limp/calling range, the board breaks up a lot of suited-connector holdings, and given how deep we are, this is a tougher spot.

His range is probably something like Ah2h-Ah8h,ThJh,8hTh,8h6h,5h6h,4h5h, and a few combos of Ah with a pair, but I don't know how many weak off-suit Aces are in his UTG limp/call range. Let's give him 2 combos of Ah9x. That's 7 combos that you beat and 5 combos that beat you. I think he plays this way more often with the nuts than with vulnerable flushes, though, so I think we have to discount the lower combos. I estimate that we have about 40% equity against his range.

The big issue is the implied shove on the river, and how we are doing against his range if he makes it after you called a c/r OTT (as that likely discounts lower flushes even more and removes the few semi-bluffs entirely). We'd obviously have a profitable call if it would end the action, but... We face a similar problem if we shove, though his continuing range might be a bit wider, especially if our image is LAG.

Gross. I hate this spot, but I probably puke-shove. That will likely get his bare Ah's to fold their equity, and if it doesn't will charge them nicely. Also, if he doesn't have Ah, that leaves it in your range to potentially be a semi-bluff so you likely get called by the smaller flushes. We're loosing a huge pot to a disgusting hand like Ah4h often, though.
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03-13-2017 , 02:01 AM
Thank You

so couple of things

I called the turn. Is this bad? I have been thinking that raising is better because worst hands call, hands with equity may fold sets and A(h)

River V bets $200 does anything change? What if i had QJ ? What if i had JT?
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03-13-2017 , 02:46 AM
I just jam it in on turn. If he has the nuts you're going to lose it all anyway. He's probably not bluffing and if you call turn you obv have a very strong hand so a river bluff on a brick seems less likely. You can still have AhX, overpairs with a heart, and sets in your range when you shove turn.
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