This is another hand i played at 2/5 in Charles Town. Villian hadn't been sitting long and i hadn't seen him play a hand. i had just doubled up with KK all-in PF, but he hasn't seen me do anything else.

Effective stacks are ~500.

I'm BB with A6. villain limps in EP and there are 4 other limpers. i check my option.

Flop: K 7 5

I check. villain bets $25. others fold and i call.

Turn: 4 (pot ~80)

i bet 40, he calls.

river: Q (pot ~160)

i bet 40, he calls.

what do you think? i tried to make my line look a bit weird so a king wouldn't fold and another flopped flush would raise. i'm obviously not worried about being beat, but i felt lost on how to maximize value against his range. thanks in advance

lol

wrong forum + 25/70/180

bet flop bet turn bet riv

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i think most of the time when there is a monotone board, people expect a flopped flush to check/call. however, just bet it. for whatever reason, it is generally unexpected... especially with the nut flush.

bet flop for $25, bet river bigger to like $65, bet $150 on the river. you have the nuts and villain is willing to call, take him to value town.

Your betsizing makes me sad. Particularly on the river.

It seems pretty obvious at this point i misplayed pretty much every street. But my thinking on the river was that he would fold a king if I bet 150 or so, and if he had a flush, he would have to raise, especially on the river.

Really? Why?

You took a standard strong line even if your absurd betsizing didn't necessarily jive with it. C/c, lead flop, lead river isn't exactly a line people take much as a bluff or thin value, especially at these stakes. Why in the world would he "have" to raise with a flush? Because your bets were super lame? Because you would?

And more importantly... why in the world do you care what he's doing with a flush in particular? If he has one and is a standard live 2/5 or under Villain and you fail to get all his money, then I (we?) can't help you. You should be more concerned about getting max value from his range, with disguising your hand and encouraging him to bet or call with worse (and not by betting virtually nothing on the river!), with thinking about *something* other than "I have the nuts".

I don't mean to pick on you (I hope I can help, seriously), but your entire thinking about this hand is lacking. All you seem concerned with is how to get the most money out of your hand, which is the nuts. What do you think Villain has? How can you manipulate the betting patterns to maximize value from that range? Villain limped in EP and then bet pot on this flop in a multi-way limped hand. That has to mean something.

It feels to me like you didn't think about any of this during the hand. Start there.

I haven't played a ton live, but i'm not new to live play either. i did feel lost in this situation though. i didn't really have a good idea how people play on monotone flops, or how various lines i could take would be interpretted. so i wasn't not thinking in this hand (even if it seems like i wasn't), but i didn't know how my line would be interpretted, or what his likely holdings were.

on the flop, i checked because leading out first to act into five people seemed very strong to me. i thought people would put me on a strong hand if i bet out every street out of position.

on the turn and river i was lost again. i didn't want to check the turn, because a turn CR would look really strong, and another c/c minimizes the pot size.

it looks like i probably tried to get too fancy in this hand. it seems like people think i should've just bet-bet-bet and gotten paid off. maybe i am overestimating how cautios people are on a monotone flop. like i said, i wasn't sure of how villain would play certain hands in the situation, but do we really expect him to call this down with a king? i wouldn't expect many naked flush draws (Q or J high) to stick around past the turn either. I didn't think much about if the villain had a set or a flush because i assumed we would get it in without too much trouble, as long as i didn't take a really strong line.

i thought most random live players look to get all in when they flop a flush. even in the face of some strength, they usually look to slowplay and throw in a raise later in the hand. i didn't think my line was so strong that someone would just call all the way with a flopped flush. and i thought my small bet on the river would look weaker than a large bet, and would be more likely to get raised.

if i had flopped a flush in his spot, i would've raised the flop and been excited to get all in. and i think i play tighter than the average live player.