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06-11-2014 , 10:23 AM
At my casino the tables tend to be pretty loose passive. I play 1/2NL. Lots of limpers and people just wanting to see a flop. Lots of draws chasing and floating with two overs. Tend to go 4-handed into any flop after raising 6x BB.

Assume loose-passive villains as described above, and assume they don't have reads on me. How do you adjust pre-flop raising range at a table like this? In particular, I struggle with the following types of hands:

1) Small pocket pairs (22-77) in EP and when limped to me in BTN/CO or SB/BB

2) A2s+ when limped to me in BTN/CO

3) 56s+ when limped to me in BTN/CO

4) A8o+ when limped to me in BTN/CO

5) KJ, QJ, AJ in EP

6) Mid pocket pairs (88-JJ) in EP and when limped to me in BTN/CO or SB/BB

With Hands 1/2/3, I have started limp/calling along. Raise/cbetting seems to be throwing money away, while if I hit a strong flop and I'm 4+ handed, I can extract good value out of 1 or 2 pair hands.

With Hands 4/5, I want to keep raising pre because people will passively play Kx, Qx, Ax so frequently and I can thin value bet with top pair.

With Hand 6, I usually raise.

Realize this is probably wrong, so any thoughts would be appreciated.
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06-11-2014 , 10:38 AM
1-3 depend largely on the stack depth and how sticky they are post. If you can get stacks in against TPTK when you hit your speculative hands, overlimp all day long. If it requires a juiced pot to make that happen, make a pot sweetener raise.

4) A8o and A9o are trash, even with position, at these games, imo. Why? Because they often limp/call better aces. ATo plus is a raise in late position.

5) Depends for KJ and QJ. Sometimes I'll fold, sometimes I'll overlimp, and sometimes I'll come in for a raise. AJ is always fine for a raise, imo, because people call with dominated aces all the damn time.

6) also depends. These hands are usually a raise, but 88/99 can sometimes be overlimps.
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06-11-2014 , 10:38 AM
Have you checked out the search feature? There are likely 20 + posts about this exact same idea already out there. And some of them are quite good..

Having said that:

1) Limp/call and set mine.
2) Raise for value. But raise enough that it's going to go heads up. If you can't make a reasonable raise to get it heads up then limp/smash the nuts/get paid.
3) Limp/smash the nuts/get paid sometimes, sometimes just fold.
4) Raise for value.
5) Need to know a bit more about the table. How much they will pay off with top pair/second pair/bottom pair. How aggressive are they when they miss? At all? Generally on a really weak table you might be able to eek out a small profit with these hands from up front, but the fact that you are asking means that you likely can't, so I'd just pitch them for the next few months if I was you.
6) From EP, raise if you can get it 1 - 2 ways post flop. Make a small juice raise and get called in 5 - 7 spots and set mine if you can't raise and if no one will exploit you with a 3bet squeeze. Limp/call/setmine if you don't want to risk getting 3bet. Almost always raise in LP. Normally limp in SB/BB.

JJ should be raise from just about any position at any time. (Just about.)
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06-11-2014 , 01:20 PM
Grunch. Don't raise light OOP. Try raising to 10bb pre flop. If you still keep getting 3+ callers, tighten up your raise range to TT+, AQ+. A8o, A9o is trash and not worth limping in even on button. Don't limp wide OOP, even if they're really loose I would fold weaker offsuit Broadway's from early and most SCs. Suited aces and SCs are fine to limp in from early IF people are stacking off with top pair in limped pots. You have to realize that limpers have weak ranges though and that they may not stack off with top pair. Don't limp call with PPs.
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06-11-2014 , 01:25 PM
Limp with small pockets and set mine. Raise with big pocket pairs and over play your top pairs.

In these games you need to really pick your spots well and milk it for extreme value.
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06-11-2014 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
1-3 depend largely on the stack depth and how sticky they are post. If you can get stacks in against TPTK when you hit your speculative hands, overlimp all day long. If it requires a juiced pot to make that happen, make a pot sweetener raise.

4) A8o and A9o are trash, even with position, at these games, imo. Why? Because they often limp/call better aces. ATo plus is a raise in late position.

5) Depends for KJ and QJ. Sometimes I'll fold, sometimes I'll overlimp, and sometimes I'll come in for a raise. AJ is always fine for a raise, imo, because people call with dominated aces all the damn time.

6) also depends. These hands are usually a raise, but 88/99 can sometimes be overlimps.
Mostly +1 - small adjustment for me.

5) I fold a lot more than sometimes as you are OOP and often dominated somewhere. I would rather raise than limp but if limping and someone raises pre it is an easy muck. But I try to avoid limping in general.
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06-11-2014 , 02:56 PM
The thing that stood out to me most, was that you like to limp otb with A2s+ but raise A8o+. I generally raise A2s-A5s in LP, but generally get rid of A6o-A9o in all positions...depending on the table

Anyone agree/disagree?
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06-11-2014 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ryno19
The thing that stood out to me most, was that you like to limp otb with A2s+ but raise A8o+. I generally raise A2s-A5s in LP, but generally get rid of A6o-A9o in all positions...depending on the table

Anyone agree/disagree?
Yeah I like to dump hands with greater equity too, especially in position.
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06-11-2014 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Yeah I like to dump hands with greater equity too, especially in position.
I'm sensing some sarcasm
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06-11-2014 , 04:24 PM
WE NEED STACKS SIZES TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION

First of all, 6x is NOT enough to fold out loose limpers at a 1/2 table. Your standard raises need to be $16-$22. If it's like most 1/2 games I've seen, at least half the table is playing with $125 or less. That means it's almost NEVER correct to just call your raise, especially multi-way, with any hand, even if your range is ATC.

Your opponents are making mistakes, and you are NOT adjusting correctly.

If you narrow your range, all you're really doing is giving up opportunities to capitalize on your opponents mistakes. You have almost NO mention of what they do post-flop. Which leads me to believe that YOU are playing "fit or fold" and probably losing alot since you're seeing so many hands multi-way.

Play more hands, and play them for bigger pots. Bigger raises pre-flop, and fire a good size barrell on most flops. A $16 raise pre that gets two callers, and then a $30 barrell on the flop will get anyone playing less than a full stack to either fold, or play the rest of the hand face up.

If players get sticky post flop, then skew your barrells towards more value bets and less bluffs. You're going to scoop ALOT of $40-$60 pots. Which will make it alot less painful when one of the fish gets busy and you have to fold after investing two streets.
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