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Common Spot: Playing out of BB when limped to (K5o in this hand) Common Spot: Playing out of BB when limped to (K5o in this hand)

01-08-2015 , 06:35 AM
This is a scenario that comes up a lot and I feel, while it is not a flashy spot, per se, it is common enough that I need to get better at playing these as it could probably be a 1BB/ hr difference to the good, if I can become more adept/ confident in this spot.

$1/$2 NL Live

Table dynamic is loose passive pre-flop for the most part. Post flop, there is some action but not a crazy table by any means. There are one or two regs at table but mostly level 1 thinkers who are not paying a whole lotta attention to much.

The stack sizes vary widely. I have about $400.

5 limps and we are in BB with K5 and we check our option.

Pot= $12
FLOP: KQ8

Is betting into 5 people better than checking here? My thought is that often times in a limped pot with a hand like this I have a RIO hand and like to under-rep my hand a bit to induce folks to bet under pairs and 2nd pairs on turn and river. It also helps in keeping the pot size small.

I checked...

A MP villain does bet $10.

Villain info: New to table. No reads. But how would you play this differently if it were say LAG player, OMC, TAG reg and drunk maniac?

I called...POT is now about $30
Turn: 4
I check...(thoughts?)...V checks...

River: 9

I check with the intent of calling if he doesn't put a huge bet in there.
I thought his range was made up of a good handful of middle pairs, A8, 89, 8T, J8, etc. type hands that I beat; also a lot of Q that I beat. If he 3 barrels I probably think he is more likely to have like KT, KJ or something but the turn check after I call seemed weak.

V bets $15... hero?

Thoughts on all streets would be delicious
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01-08-2015 , 06:51 AM
A table with a bunch of passive limpers pre you could probably lead here and get called by a lot worse. If you lead $10 and someone raises or like 3 people call you could just check/fold turn.
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01-08-2015 , 07:53 AM
C/F flop. With 5 people in, continuing with the hand is -EV. You're going to be OOP position on future streets. You're never going to know where you're at in the hand.

If there's only 2 people in the hand, you can lead (depending on who they are). Leading into 5 people is suicide.

If you check and the person last to act bets, you can consider continuing with the hand if you think he's just trying to steal the pot. Even then, it's borderline.

The blinds are just taxes. Treat them as such; especially when 6 people see the flop. Top pair/bad kicker from the big blind in a 6-way pot will lose you money in the long run.
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01-08-2015 , 09:19 AM
I agree with Jesse. This is a c/f from the BB in a limped pot. It's a fairly coordinated board and we are OOP. The river connects with so many two pair hands and completes a straight. Not to mention our absolute strength is practically nil.

On a less-coordinated flop, I can see leading out and getting value from passive players who will call a street with less than top pair, but on this flop I let it go and move on.
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01-08-2015 , 11:20 AM
"it depends"

check/evaluating & likely folding to any bet is obv standard 6way

i briefly look around tho... if i see relative disinterest from everyone that could change things

if there's some lagtard around the btn that stabs at small pots a high % when checked to then i may c/c

just try not to autopilot
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01-08-2015 , 11:33 AM
I'm checking this flop from the BB nearly 100% of the time. My ideal scenario for this would be two streets of small value on the turn and river while accepting the fact you might value town yourself.
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01-08-2015 , 12:12 PM
About one of 50 hands your hand will be king-high, and you'll get a king high flop. You're in the big blind one of nine hands. So this is something that happens about once out of 450 hands or say once every 16 hours.

Usually on a king-high flop where you have a king no one else has one.

If you looked at your hand-strength is it bluff, showdown value, or value? It seems to be showdown value. Normal thing to do with a showdown value hand is to check.

I tend to fold hands to aggression that are very unlikely to ever be more than a bluff-catcher.

The spot shouldn't be happening often enough to have much of an affect on your win-rate.
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01-08-2015 , 01:51 PM
Played fine. River is read dependent.
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01-08-2015 , 02:14 PM
Grunch:

Always check the BB here.

Readless:
Ck/cl the flop is fine against anyone under the age of 40.
Older than 60 I'm generally going to fold.
In between, I just make a judgement call based on how they look/handle their chips, other table dynamics.

Turn is fine.

River is meh.
You're getting a decent price, but you're beat a lot.
Call if you plan to be there for a while and can use the information that you get. I.e. help it to assess their open limping range, their betting patterns post flop, among other things. If you plan to be there for not too long, or just don't plan on paying any attention because there is a footballgame on or something, I'd default to folding.
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01-08-2015 , 02:28 PM
Probably just c/f flop in a 5-way pot and no flush draw.
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01-08-2015 , 02:32 PM
I mix it up between check/calling the flop and leading out on the flop. I fold to any raises on the flop.

Turn / River are very bet-size / read dependent. As this hand was played I definitely call the river. You are getting 3-1 on a river call and I expect you to be good over 45% of the time here so it's very +EV. If you're beat, I'd expect to see a bigger K or JT here a lot.

One thing you didn't mention is the position of the players that were in the pot. It's important because if MP was last or second last to act on the flop he is more likely to be bluffing than if he was 2nd to act.
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