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10-20-2010 , 01:12 PM
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Wait a second, so what's going on with the check raise on the flop? Is that for value or a bluff? Or are we merging on the flop? Sick.

we're folding out better (and worse) but leaving open the possibility of getting called by worse (the A). It's brillaint!
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10-20-2010 , 01:13 PM
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ooooh, oooh, i know this guy...his name is durrr right?? i cant beleive hes playing this small!!! obv buuussstttooooo

**** and all this time I was hoping that limon the legend was villain in the hand!
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10-20-2010 , 03:45 PM
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Merge... And don't worry about losing value from a J. It's not a huge part of his range and he probably isn't putting much money in with it after his flop bet unless he improves anyways.
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10-21-2010 , 03:34 AM
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C/C or bet really small are the best options for sure. I kinda like leading small since he will peel with stuff we have in bad shape that would check back on the flop. If he's the type that just can't help but bet when checked to, i prefer a check. Do you think he will ever bluff raise a small flop bet?
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10-21-2010 , 02:40 PM
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k, grunching. if this guy were more aggro, maybe i play this differently.

i lead flop, he's calling with Ahx, Jx, TT, some random heart draws. he's probably not loving a hand like KT no hearts.

if you check turn, he is checking behind like his entire range, right? you maintain control of this hand. re-eval river based on board texture, but now you can vb or bluff catch.
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10-21-2010 , 02:52 PM
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skimmed through some replies; surprised so many people are saying c/r. aren't we waaaay overepping our hand here?
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10-21-2010 , 06:14 PM
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skimmed through some replies; surprised so many people are saying c/r. aren't we waaaay overepping our hand here?
We are semi-bluffing with max pressure against Kx. We are also protecting against a suckout from Jx (which is unlikely to put much more money in unimproved anyway). Lastly, we are charging all draws full price and giving our opponent a chance to make a math mistake either way.

All this with a positional disadvantage and perfect stack sizes...
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10-21-2010 , 06:54 PM
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We are semi-bluffing with max pressure against Kx. We are also protecting against a suckout from Jx (which is unlikely to put much more money in unimproved anyway). Lastly, we are charging all draws full price and giving our opponent a chance to make a math mistake either way.

All this with a positional disadvantage and perfect stack sizes...
ok, i guess that's one way of looking at it. the pessimist in me folds out every hand that is like a 20-30% dog, that might pay one more street of value, and we get jammed on by things that crush us and flip with us, and also cause us to crap our pants.
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10-21-2010 , 08:34 PM
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ok, i guess that's one way of looking at it. the pessimist in me folds out every hand that is like a 20-30% dog, that might pay one more street of value, and we get jammed on by things that crush us and flip with us, and also cause us to crap our pants.

c/c will have to be done 3 times if we take that line and board does not change. I dont really like that in this spot.

Also, chk ship allows villain to screw up a hand that has fair equity like Ah bare, he bets but should fold to a ship. Robs him of actually having about 50% equity that he is entitled to. Also folding a Kx would be a big plus for hero.
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10-21-2010 , 09:00 PM
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c/c will have to be done 3 times if we take that line and board does not change. I dont really like that in this spot.

Also, chk ship allows villain to screw up a hand that has fair equity like Ah bare, he bets but should fold to a ship. Robs him of actually having about 50% equity that he is entitled to. Also folding a Kx would be a big plus for hero.
my line was actually b/f flop, c/c turn, re-eval river.

if we trust this guy will fold all Kx, then fine... i'm not so sure that will happen based on stack sizes (i envision a call of the c/r, and a crying call of a jam on non-heart turn).
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