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09-11-2019 , 03:32 PM
1/2 table , 200$ max buy-in

My stack is around 350$, I cover Villain (around 300$).

V is UTG, and raises to 20$.

It folds to me, I call (CO) with 9h9d and SB call.

Flop is:
5c5s3c

SB quickly checks, UTG thinks about it and checks, I bet 60.
SB folds, UTG thinks about it again and makes the call.

Turn is a 8s. Pot is around 200$

UTG checks.

I'm not sure what UTG has, but the way she hesitated on the flop to call, it looked like she had 2 over cards with a club. I don't think UTG would check an overpair on the flop. Also, there's a backdoor flush draw possibility now. I don't want to give a free card and I decide to jam, a bit more than pot size (250ish) to put her in a tough spot.
Any comments on the hand?

Do I raise pre here? Do I bet smaller on the turn?

Last edited by venice10; 09-11-2019 at 04:37 PM. Reason: Mod removing results
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09-11-2019 , 03:40 PM
Your turn shove was also bad, your mostly getting called by over pairs and folding out the hands you beat. On the turn a bet of 1/2 pot is fine if you are confident villain is an ABC player who would not check flop & turn with a higher pair. Against some villains checking the turn would be better. Flop bet is too big also, 1/2 pot is better in this situation where draws are not really a concern.

Last edited by venice10; 09-11-2019 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Removed comment based on the result
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09-11-2019 , 04:41 PM
Against two villains is that pot sized bet too big in terms of SPR. I've seen a lot of 1/2 players flat with TT, JJ, or call/reraise w A5s here.
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09-11-2019 , 04:42 PM
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09-11-2019 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
Your turn shove was also bad, your mostly getting called by over pairs and folding out the hands you beat. On the turn a bet of 1/2 pot is fine if you are confident villain is an ABC player who would not check flop & turn with a higher pair. Against some villains checking the turn would be better. Flop bet is too big also, 1/2 pot is better in this situation where draws are not really a concern.
This. I couldn't say it any better.
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09-12-2019 , 04:17 PM
I like to flat my 99 here pre when V 10x it UTG.

2/3 pot bet on flop.
1/2 to 2/3 pot bet on turn.
ready to check back river.
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09-12-2019 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by smallfish5
1/2 table , 200$ max buy-in

My stack is around 350$, I cover Villain (around 300$).

V is UTG, and raises to 20$.

It folds to me, I call (CO) with 9h9d and SB call.

Flop is:
5c5s3c

SB quickly checks, UTG thinks about it and checks, I bet 60.
SB folds, UTG thinks about it again and makes the call.

Turn is a 8s. Pot is around 200$

UTG checks.

I'm not sure what UTG has, but the way she hesitated on the flop to call, it looked like she had 2 over cards with a club. I don't think UTG would check an overpair on the flop. Also, there's a backdoor flush draw possibility now. I don't want to give a free card and I decide to jam, a bit more than pot size (250ish) to put her in a tough spot.
Any comments on the hand?

Do I raise pre here? Do I bet smaller on the turn?

Your flop sizing is awful. It’s 553tt. You’re ostensibly trying to value bet. So what calls this bet besides like 44, 66, 77, 88?

If your strategy is value and equity denial, a smaller size works way better. Hands with 11% equity like 77 will call a small size. Hands with far more equity (like KQs, approx 30% equity) will often incorrectly fold if you bet 1/3rd pot. Plus going small twice gives you a chance to collect multiple bets from worse hands, while not bloating the pot when you’re beat.


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09-12-2019 , 10:23 PM
Without reads that someone will call with worse, you shouldn't bet that much on the flop. I'd probably bet $25 on this board. Then make another normalish sized bet on the turn. From a theory standpoint you can use bigger sizing with some better hands like 5x and some bluffs. But if you are going to play hands like 99 this way, you are making it way too easy on your opponents. If they are drooling calling stations that will still call with overs for $60, then by all means have at it. But against typical opponents, your medium strength hands should bet smaller. Same thing on the turn. You can just bet 1/2 pot here.

I'm not sure what UTG has because there aren't many hands that should take this line. But either the check/call is an overpair or overs + FD she checked for some reason, or she's really really bad. There are more overpair combos, and if they call you're screwed.
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09-13-2019 , 03:01 PM
I agree, flop sizing is too large. But biggest mistake is on the turn. Once your PSB on the flop is called and the turn is a blank, any shove you make will only be called by overpairs that beat you and it will fold everything else out. This is classic way ahead/way behind spot IMO.

I think I would have checked back the turn and played a river with your hand instead of shoving and hoping.
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09-15-2019 , 08:50 PM
Thank you for the replies guys.
I missed a ton of value by betting too much on the flop by playing similar lines like this.
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09-16-2019 , 08:35 AM
In case you missed it because it was edited out, villain's play here is also bad. Getting sticky with AK in the face of over sized bets is bad.
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09-16-2019 , 09:33 AM
Would not be surprised if V hero calls here with an overpair to 99. She called $60 on the flop, you think she's calling that much with AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ or JT? (unless they are suited, so around 7 combos). You can pretty much assume there is virtually no fold equity on the turn (V has commited close to 1/3rd of stack with $80 in, turn card changes nothing).

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