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Combo draw with 8c6c in BB multi-way Combo draw with 8c6c in BB multi-way

10-13-2022 , 06:53 PM
Game is $2-$100 spread. Max you can raise is $100 over the previous bet.

V1 (UTG) is a 50-ish white guy who just sat down. Stack of $220.

V2 (UTG1) is a 50-ish Asian guy, and a reg. The type of guy who plays way too many hands, will call with any draw, but when he has it he’ll bet huge. And basically never bluffs. Stack of $500.

Hero (BB) has a stack of $600 and is probably seen as the most aggressive player at the table (though V1 doesn’t know this).

THE HAND: V1 raises UTG to $8, V2 calls in UTG2, everyone else folds, I call in BB with 8c6c.

FLOP: JcTh7c (Pot: $25)

We check. V1 bets $12, V2 calls, action on me. Hero?
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10-13-2022 , 07:16 PM
Raises to $62
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10-14-2022 , 01:41 AM
Not sure why you’d want to build a big pot here. You have decent equity obviously but the only way you get involved in a big pot is if you end up losing it, for the most part.

Call. See turn.
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10-14-2022 , 02:09 AM
Call. /thread
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10-14-2022 , 08:07 AM
Yah i think its a pretty easy call. things might change is we had more nut outs.

also given the description of villain 2 i'd want the pot smaller cause if the flush comes in and he bets big we are in a tough spot. i'd much rather call here and reevaluate turns.
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10-14-2022 , 08:31 AM
Preflop is probably too loose. I think you can play a one-gapper against loose V2 oop, but the other guy just sat down, opened UTG with a relatively short stack. But you know all this, so...

AP: call and evaluate turn getting ~pot odds (when we think a 9 is good for us, which it might not be). This hand might be a trip to RIO without the hot girls.
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10-14-2022 , 10:28 AM
I can't see doing anything other than calling flop. This is a flop that connects with a lot of hands which means a, they often have a piece and b, will suspect you are on a draw.
If you c/r that kinda leaves you with an awkward spot on a blank turn. Out of position...
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10-14-2022 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Man of Means
If you c/r that kinda leaves you with an awkward spot on a blank turn. Out of position...
Assuming that we even make it to the turn. Raise/folding kinda sucks especially with the spread limit where the raise is only (max) $100 but without any nut outs and OOP.. that doesn’t even account for the fact that if we hit we stack off vs the 110BB stack of V1 but 250BB deep vs V2 is a different story.
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10-14-2022 , 11:20 AM
I'm playing LAG. 86su is one of my, "I've gotta rule" hands. I play it hard (almost) every single time that it is limped or single bet to me. IP, I'm 3! It plays much better as a raise than a call.

If the action checks to me post on that board, with a double draw, I'm absolutely betting, expecting to take it down but not unhappy with a call either. Any x/r is 2P+ or a nuttier draw than me in which case I'll angrily fold and say, "KK sucks."

In a typical 6 - 8 hour session, I rarely see someone lose with an underflush. I'm not going worry too much that if I get called down that my rivered flush it isn't any good. If I turn the flush and my bet is called, I might not bet the river.



However, twice this week I've seen 3 people GII, all with flushes, so it is going to, but not often enough to ruin your day.
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10-14-2022 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DEKE01
I'm playing LAG. 86su is one of my, "I've gotta rule" hands. I play it hard (almost) every single time that it is limped or single bet to me. IP, I'm 3! It plays much better as a raise than a call.

If the action checks to me post on that board, with a double draw, I'm absolutely betting, expecting to take it down but not unhappy with a call either. Any x/r is 2P+ or a nuttier draw than me in which case I'll angrily fold and say, "KK sucks."
Well, hero is in the BB. Not much possible in regards to 3betting IP pre or getting checked to on the flop.

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In a typical 6 - 8 hour session, I rarely see someone lose with an underflush. I'm not going worry too much that if I get called down that my rivered flush it isn't any good. If I turn the flush and my bet is called, I might not bet the river.
If we're getting called down there's probably not too much to be worried about because the flop blocks Jc which means the only flush that I don't expect a raise from is QTcc.

The question is what we do on the turn if we hit our flush.
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10-14-2022 , 12:55 PM
[QUOTE=madlex;57862719]Well, hero is in the BB. Not much possible in regards to 3betting IP pre or getting checked to on the flop. [quote]


pre BB is guaranteed to have position to do the pre squeeze bluff. I'm not 3! every time like I would in LP, it just depends on the table. If the table is as passive as typical 1/2, I'm going for it.


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The question is what we do on the turn if we hit our flush.

I used to think it was better to check acting as if I was scared the flush got there. I still might do that rarely if I'm playing against a young agro gun who might see it as weakness. I've mostly changed to betting most of everything and I'm getting paid off more often and enjoying hearing, "HOW IN THE $#%# CAN HE ALWAYS HAVE IT!?!" when it gets to showdown.

In general, I'm probably going to bet smallish bc some people view that as fear. The OMC's, which is most of the crowd I deal with, are going to fold unless they have something really good that they think is "deserving" of a win, like a set. People like V2 who are willing to pay to see their draws might hope to get to that 4th flush card but those are rare enough I shouldn't fear it, but I would charge him a higher price bc he'll pay it.
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10-14-2022 , 02:42 PM
The 100$ max bet really limits your play, if you wanna bluff with this hand, it has to be a multi street bluff and thats just impossible with the 100$ spread.

Just call
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10-14-2022 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Man of Means
I can't see doing anything other than calling flop. This is a flop that connects with a lot of hands which means a, they often have a piece and b, will suspect you are on a draw.
If you c/r that kinda leaves you with an awkward spot on a blank turn. Out of position...
Yeah, I kinda realize now. At the time I was just thinking about equity, knowing that I’m in good shape even against overpairs, and that taking down a small pot now with the raise wasn’t a bad result either. I also was worried about being in a really tough spot if my straight came in—I wanted to fold out random K or Q hands while I could.

RESULT:

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FLOP: JcTh7c (Pot: $25)

We check. V1 bets $12, V2 calls
Hero check-raises to 60. V1 reraises to 125. Hero reraises to 200 and puts him all-in.

V1 tables KhKd.

Turn 3c and we win.
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10-14-2022 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Yeah, I kinda realize now. At the time I was just thinking about equity, knowing that I’m in good shape even against overpairs, and that taking down a small pot now with the raise wasn’t a bad result either. I also was worried about being in a really tough spot if my straight came in—I wanted to fold out random K or Q hands while I could.

RESULT:


Hero check-raises to 60. V1 reraises to 125. Hero reraises to 200 and puts him all-in.

V1 tables KhKd.

Turn 3c and we win.
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10-14-2022 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Call. /thread
Our draw looks a lot better than it actually is equity wise. Straight is not to the nuts and flush draw is middling. I call and see what transpires on the turn.
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10-15-2022 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
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Haha, yep, can’t ignore that value! The guy was berating me afterwards—I later got him to bluff off $200 when I flopped a flush (and he had no pair no draw). He was not happy!
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