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01-31-2023 , 03:50 PM

OmahaDonk

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2-3, buyin 300-1000.
V (600) - YWG getting out of line in all spots. Very aggro, has 3b a bunch and been caught bluffing a lot. Probably tilted. Hero covers.

Hero on btn with JsJc

Pre: HJ opens 15, V in co makes it 35, hero makes it 125 and V calls hu

Flop (270) : Th6h4d
V checks hero..

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01-31-2023 , 04:06 PM

autobot

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If he's tilted and bad he prob calls an overbet shove otf with lots of hands.

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01-31-2023 , 04:10 PM

CallMeVernon

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What exactly did you hope was going to happen when you put in this cold 4bet?

Answering that will show you what to do now.

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01-31-2023 , 05:03 PM

Javanewt

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This is the easiest bet in the world. Bet biggish, call shove.

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02-01-2023 , 11:07 AM

submersible

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pre is way too big. either 1/2 or check now, i dont mind checking that much

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02-01-2023 , 11:38 AM

Man of Means

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Due to the jacked up pot size I'd bet so as to not give a free card to A/K/Q hands. An aggro tilted player will "put you to the test" for stacks sometimes so choose an amount that leaves the door open to a c/r bluff (and get ready to fade a 3-outer)

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02-01-2023 , 05:01 PM

crackedaa

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Pre way too big, you make him snapfold the ool part of his range. Now cbet 1/3-1/2 and stack off. This is probably the last hand you want to check otf, so bet 100%.

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02-01-2023 , 05:07 PM

Balerion1

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

2-3, buyin 300-1000.

V (600) - YWG getting out of line in all spots. Very aggro, has 3b a bunch and been caught bluffing a lot. Probably tilted. Hero covers.

Hero on btn with JsJc

Pre: HJ opens 15, V in co makes it 35, hero makes it 125 and V calls hu

Flop (270) : Th6h4d

V checks hero..

Keeping the villain's description in mind, pre-flop sizing is fine. I highly doubt make it 125 is shaving off a few combos from villains calling range pre.

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02-01-2023 , 05:10 PM

Balerion1

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AP, bet 1/3 or even 1/4, and jam safe turns.

If SPR was closer to 1, I would consider jamming flop and get a crying call from AK/AQ/KQ. Betting small on the flop (keep his range wide) and jamming a non Broadway turn card accomplishes the same result though.

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02-01-2023 , 05:11 PM

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Balerion1

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Originally Posted by crackedaa

Pre way too big, you make him snapfold the ool part of his range. Now cbet 1/3-1/2 and stack off. This is probably the last hand you want to check otf, so bet 100%.

Described villain is likely not in the folding mood pre, especially after he iso's.

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02-01-2023 , 05:11 PM

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Balerion1

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Originally Posted by submersible

pre is way too big. either 1/2 or check now, i dont mind checking that much

This is not the flop to check. Protection bet is mandatory.

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02-01-2023 , 05:24 PM

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jkkkk

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

YWG getting out of line in all spots. Very aggro, has 3b a bunch and been caught bluffing a lot. Probably tilted.

I feel like the answer lies here, you can't respect his range, you're going broke here. I would have flatted the 3-bet unless I was comfortable getting it in on the flop after he calls a 4-bet - this is likely where the hand was misplayed.

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02-01-2023 , 05:36 PM

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OmahaDonk

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I only posted this hand because I wanted to see if people like overbet jamming vs described V.

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02-01-2023 , 06:15 PM

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CallMeVernon

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I mean I think if you are going to bet at all, jamming is fine. But what is the answer to my question? What do you think his range is here?

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02-01-2023 , 06:21 PM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon

I mean I think if you are going to bet at all, jamming is fine. But what is the answer to my question? What do you think his range is here?

I think he can have all the good hands except AA KK, and a lot of potential junk suited hands or broadways. Equity denial seems important here. What do you think?

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02-01-2023 , 06:36 PM

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submersible

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what do u think jamming does that betting small(er) doesnt perform better against?

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02-01-2023 , 06:50 PM

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OmahaDonk

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I was thinking hands like AT 99 Axhh could hero a shove but maybe not be able to call 2 streets depending on turns. Also I rep AK better with a shove imo

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02-01-2023 , 07:48 PM

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CallMeVernon

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You think he is both 3betting and calling a 4bet with a range that wide??

In that case, jamming would be good since if he’s that bad that he would consider calling with worse, you get it all with one bet.

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02-01-2023 , 10:29 PM

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twitcherroo

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

I only posted this hand because I wanted to see if people like overbet jamming vs described V.

I like over-betting OTF. Test his manhood.

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02-02-2023 , 03:01 AM

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crackedaa

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Originally Posted by Balerion1

Described villain is likely not in the folding mood pre, especially after he iso's.

There's a fine line between overbluffing and calling huge cold 4bets oop with KJo, J9s etc. He wasn't described as a straight whale just a laggy guy, and hero gave him too good of a reason to shut down.

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02-02-2023 , 01:37 PM

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Balerion1

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Originally Posted by crackedaa

I don't think pre flop sizing is an issue in this particular spot. I am reading that villain is potentially tilted, and is out of line in many spots.

If we take this down pre, then fine, let's widen our light 3b range and print money that way.

As I said, I doubt we're shaving off a few combos from villains continuing range by 3b to 125 than 105 or 90 etc. Thats my experience, yours may vary.

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02-02-2023 , 08:23 PM

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OmahaDonk

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I shoved he called. Turn Jx river Qh. I show my hand and it’s good. So he didn’t have hearts, QQ, AA (aces cracked). He acted disturbed but didn’t show so I assume he called with worse.

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02-02-2023 , 11:00 PM

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ssmallz

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

I only posted this hand because I wanted to see if people like overbet jamming vs described V.

Not a fan of the overbet shove b/c it lets villain off the hook too easily. Given his image you're never folding so I bet small here something ~$100 and give me a chance to c/r so I can snap. If he calls I'm jamming the turn anyways so NBD

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