Hero - $315 - 1 hour at table. Only showed down 1 winner so far, with KhQh when the flop was Kd8h4c - Called a lead from some girl for $45 - Ah - check / check - river 2s - check / check - probably could of value bet here.

Other hands i've just been raise / folding after seeing multi way flop.

Villain 1 - Seems to like to chase too much.

Villain 2 - Asian guy who is defiantly chasing tons of hands. Saw him call 2 streets with AJo over and spade draw and river was check / check and a single pair of 7's were good. Like WTF?


Hero in Mid position with AT opens to $15 over 1 limper. Folded for 2 orbits, so wanted to play a hand.

Villain 1 calls in CO

Villain 2 calls in BTN

Not an ideal spot

$52 pot
J74
Hero bets $35
2 calls

$157
Q
Hero bets $50 LOL
Villain 1 folds
Villain 2 calls.

$257
2
Hero bets $100

Check fold this flop against two stations oop


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Checking this flop 100% and giving up against 2 stations.

Turn is a good card to barrel heads up, but I don't like the barrel multiway. Too likely we get called at least once. If you're going to barrel it needs to be $100 to imply a river shove.

I think the only hand folding on the river to a $100 bet is a missed club flush draw, and unless V has a pair to go along with it H is already ahead so no need to. So we fold out random flush draws with a 4 or a 2, because a Q is calling.

Basically after I get called pre holding ATo by two chasey Vs with position I'm only continuing if I hit or get a great board to c-bet, like K- or maybe Q- high and pretty dry.

Always have a reason for what you're doing. Not having played a hand in awhile isnt a good one. I open ATo from MP so I think thats fine, my reason is that I can possibly iso the limper and probably get value from any pair. So if you're looking for reasons there's that. On to the hand, I definitely dont think this is a good board to cbet on though. Generally I feel Queen high flops or better are good to cbet your air on because those are the kind of big face cards you can represent more believably. Fish probably project a lot of their tendencies on you and I just dont think they can put you on a Jack or better every time. Moreso however is the fact that whatever they called with preflop isnt as scared to continue on a flop like this. It's just a psychological thing, if they have 99 they'll call on a J74 flop more than they will on a K74 or especially an A74 flop. See how that works? Heck you probably call more often there too, because everyone always assumes a cbet means AK.

Anyway with no real backdoor draws I just give up on the flop. If we had the ace of clubs I probably fire a bet just to get in that 4 card flush draw, and barrel again when the Queen hits with or without the flush draw. I agree with someone else who said if you check this flop with your current hand, then the turn bet would make more sense. I also really cant fathom why you would bet $50 on the turn. Like, nothing that called the flop is going to fold to that. A fish will call with 22 out of pride in that spot. Care to explain your thought process there?

I'm also not a big fan of running big bluffs at live low stakes so I just check back river. Let them see my air, it'll pay off later. What minimal amount I would have invested is a fair price to get under their skin by tabling this hand. **** you might even be good. I prefer to play the equity of my hand.

x/f flop, poker is EZ

AP, well this is your last chance to win the hand, TBH I puss out and xf river. This guy probably calls a river bet with 64dd or something equally tilting.

Well it ended up working. Honestly a lot of my plays have been working and i've been successful this month - probably a +$8000 month for me, but I look back at these ****ed up plays and think - how

I still can't be making mistakes like this if i'm going to move up to 5/T.

Preflop is a little difficult at loose tables and I think all options have merit. I fold ATo in EP, so folding ATo in MP wouldn't exactly be a crime (especially if we don't think a raise is going to narrow the field with us in position and if opponents behind us are difficult). If we feel a raise could narrow the field (hopefully in position) then we could do that; I'm not exactly thrilled about seeing a flop with this hand, so simply raising to a very big 10% of our stack (setting up a stackoff postflop with TP) would be okish, although with this hand that often limits our opponents to dominating hands, so that might be meh. If table is passive, we could also think of just overlimping and seeing what happens. Really table dependent, imo.

I think I'd also do a small cbet here and hope to just take it down. ETA: I don't hate the flop cbet as much as everyone else cuz I'm guessing their preflop ranges are super wide and it's still very possible they both missed the flop and we actually have the best hand.

After two flop calls, I'm done with the hand. I check/fold the turn.

Even as played, there really isn't much reason to bet the river. This guy looks to be a passive calling station, so he's unlikely to fold better, but could still easily have worse (busted draw) that he ain't going to bluff with. Just check and see if we win, imo.

Gwhydidwejustput$200intoahandwithAhigh?G

Just to say it, this may have worked by folding out a no-pair flush draw that you were beating anyway. Would have liked the bet better if you had something like T9.

Did he fold a better hand?

Gifnot,checkingwouldhavealsoworkedG

Yeah, I mean, if you said it's not an ideal spot, probably sign to not bluff.

I probably work in a jam range on the turn and use this hand for it (since bet/folding sucks quite a bit).

If it worked then we're assuming this fish is loose enough to call preflop and 2 streets with a very weak hand. If he's doing that it seems like trying to bluff a station is kind of a big no no. If he's just one of those really passive stations that always gives up the river then I guess he's your personal ATM machine. I mean there's still merit to taking advantage of a bunch of small spots like this and I see crushers do it all the time, but between the average regs, the crushers & even the fish, those big stacks come from value betting the best hand. I never saw someone sitting 400BB deep that didnt get there by felting players.

I have no idea if he folded a better hand, but he kept calling 2 streets and losing at show down.

The table was a joke.

A bit unclear to me who is "clicking buttons" at this table.

Gpossiblyeveryone?G

Turn is a bad sizing, I d bet more or x.

we give odds to any draws and we are oop, not ideal spot to put money in the pot without clear purpose

I think it s still possible u folded out 67/78 floating us.

I'm still curious about your turn sizing. What are you doing there? Is that just a "50/50 he's folding or calling, size doesnt matter" type bet?

Too much donk action. If you're playing it let them know they're beat from the start. I like an overbet to the calling station/draw lovers early on. If they have you they'll let you know, especially low stakes live. Push the hand hard to command the image that when you bet you have it, allowing yourself to open more range of hands (suited connectors) paying you off in the long run, making it look like you are "lucky" to the donks. Then, after an hour or two tighten back up to get value town paid off. Then, roll another time of buying for about 45 mins. WORKS extremely well to low or mid experienced players, but you have to have majority of the table continuing to sit. Late night juicy games are your best bet to exploit these types of plays. YOU have to act to see where you are though. Check check is a sign of weakness and you're thinking you are getting drawn out regardless. If you can't play against drawing players, don't play k,q unless going for a nut straight gains youre assuming high pocket or a,k from them since they never fold and build the other to where financially will make sense over 10k hands..

did you show it?

Don't we have many better draws to use for it?

The problem I've always had with this method is that you can *easily* go hours without making any value hands, so often all you end up doing is spewing money to setup an awesome table image only to find it's actually hard to make hands when in value-town mode (and by the time you finally do, everyone who was around at the table during your action mode have long since left).

Gthismethodisoverrated,imoG

Please don't move to 5-10.
You don't know if your bluff was good just because it worked this one time.

You think you're an $8k winner for the month? If you don't know EXACTLY how much you are up/down for a month, then your record keeping is lousy/nonexistent.

You also say you played this hand because you had folded for the last couple orbits. That's not a poker reason for vpiping. I'd add that folding for two orbits is not a very long time. If you are that easily bored, then poker will end up being a very expensive hobby.

If you are making mistakes like this(these), then you are undoubtedly making countless others that will be your demise in bigger games.

I'll add that sometimes trying to create an image falls on deaf ears and blind eyes. They just don't care that you want to build an image. Or better yet, your opponents don't make the adjustment you need them to make in order to capitalize. Overall, I think being fun, interesting, kind, happy at the table generates more action than trying to look like a maniac/tilt monkey/drooler.

I agree that it is *mostly overrated. There of course are rare circumstances that merit such efforts.

I think it's okay to jam a bit more often than balanced here. In terms of better draws, I think only better draws are T9 KT, combo draws, bdfds. Front door draws are probably not as good to jam since a big chunk of what we want to fold out are in fact the flop draw.

WTF!!!!!

Folded for 2 orbits, so wanted to play a hand. DUMB

Bet flop get called 2 ways, hit nothing, bet again DUMB

Turn Sizing DUMB

River Bet DUMB

This hand DUMB

Turn bet is okay I think, preflop is okay also, although playing it because you're bored is wrong, you can say that you'd be messed with less because you seem tight, and that could make raising more often correct.

I keep good record keeping. That's how I know i'm up 8k lol. ATo isn't horrible to open, but Ideally i'd like to be in position.

I'm not happy with my turn bet size, and the hand in general is a little spewy.