$1-3 NL

Myself - $600
Villain - $225. Middle aged guy, plays pretty tight. Type who over-values pairs, paying off 2-pair hands a lot. Also the type who would "Rather win a small pot than lose a big one", and thus bets out flush-draws a lot with sets and TPTK, etc.
Plays pretty snug, but willing to get it in if he flops Top-Top on dry boards. "Traps" as well

So there's a $6 straddle from a guy who 99% of the time checks the straddle.
I slip in with A5 in MP, there's 6 players to the flop.

F - A58 ($40 In Pot)

Villain bets out $12, I raise to $40, surprisingly I get 2 calls behind.
Comes back around to Villain and he thinks for a long time and finally shoves.
It's around $170 more to call.
I have these 2 people behind me now to consider as well, but I think they're just fishing around, I'm not super-concerned.

I can put Villain on set of 5s, set of 8s which I can't beat. I'm thinking A8 is possible, but I don't know.

I also think he could have 85, which I can beat, and also AX which I'm flipping against. Perhaps he has something like AK or AQ and is assuming people are on hearts or straights and he can take it down now as well.
He's the type who'd just limp with AK or AQ at times, but not AA

Fold? Or am I ahead of some hands to call?
$340 in the pot now, I'm in for $40, and it's $170 to call.

Board is too wet, call.

what are the stack sizes of the other two players who called your flop raise?

Other 2 players are probably around $400-500 to start the hand.
At this point in the night I had a pretty LAGgy image, so I can see where someone called with a hand like A,10 or something.
The only other hands I guess are something like 6,7 and hearts.

But if you had XhXh it might be a nice time to semi, so I'm not sure

folding this pre.

ap it sounds like a pretty easy call with the range you've provided. or a shove depending on the stack sizes of the other two opponents.

As played, I called, he had A8

It came runner-runner s and the guy was already pre-crying about how lucky I probably had gotten. "God dammit, you're probably good NOW"

Cooler he could have easily had 76

I guess a reason for not playing A5 in a limped pot, but I was getting implied PF odds.
It was limp-city, and you knew 5-6 were calling. I has POS on 1-2 of the better players as well.

Looking for this exact kind of flop, but no good

Reals, you guys just snap call here?
I fold in this situation like always. A stationy guy that over values good pair hands leads we raise get 2 callers then he tank ships... stationy guys aren't all of a sudden going to start shipping draws or Ax

Also it would be top and bottom pair lol

Wish you didn't post results so fast.

I HATE this spot.
Limping pre is OK, folding isn't bad either, whatever.

When it goes call-call-tank jam I'm folding this all day. His line is SUPER strong with all of the interest that's been shown in the pot. I expect to see a lot of sets here, some two pair hands, but not a lot of draws (combo or NFD).

I'd also be worried about the guys behind with the deeper stacks. If you flat the shove, they can put you in a sick spot with a shove themselves. I'd expect that kind of line with a set or NFD. Looking left before you act might let you know how interested they are in continuing, but just the calls f the $40 would make me a little suspicious.

But we hold blockers to all sets except one.

Villain could easily have pair and flush draw.

Oh yeah...

just fold this pre, youve flopped exactly what you wanted and now when someone shoves youre questioning what to do

put me in the fold pre camp

Does villain ever have 85 in his range? I don't know what position he's in so it's hard to say.

From the action I highly doubt this is a pure bluff. He's either got Ax, fd+sd, or 2p+. Even with the combo draws in his range, your equity is trash if he never has 85. If he does, you're almost 50/50 and should call.

Type who over-values pairs, paying off 2-pair hands a lot. Also the type who would "Rather win a small pot than lose a big one", and thus bets out flush-draws a lot with sets and TPTK, etc.
Plays pretty snug, but willing to get it in if he flops Top-Top on dry boards. "Traps" as well


Guys like this are never playing Ax or 67 like this.
This is 55 88 A8 A5 and AK with AK discounted pretty heavily like almost every time from this type of player

I fold pre always, call this flop. Idk, is AQ/AJ in his range? Most of the debating seems to be weighting towards combos that give us equity to call it off here. A5 is definitely the bottom of our calling range, it could be credible to fold also.

There are two players behind us! We have to ask ourselves what did they call with? It is verly likely that one of them is on a flush draw. This makes flush draws in Villains range less likely. If we just call and one of the V behind us has the nut flush draw he will have the outs to call this or even shove which will be a disaster for us.
So calling can never be good either shove or fold. But I am folding because V range is leaning towards a set or two pairs. This line looks extremly strong, 85 is possible but it is in my opinion the only hand we can beat which does that.

Easy fold pre.

Villain doesnt sound like the type who is jamming fds here. Every fd is at least 50% equity if he is jamming but thats really going to be a small % of his hands weaker axs hands and fd+straight draw. Combined with two players behind you i think its a fold.

^^^this...and the fact that A5o is a crappy hand that will generally win a small pot or lose a large pot.

Can't imagine calling this after a tight middle-aged guy shoves over a raise and two calls. How many random old guys do this with a flush draw? We're beat 100 times out of 100 here.

Super easy fold preflop. I never play A9o- unless in LP where I'm raising to steal against 0/1 limpers. From MP in a straddled pot, limping in with this is really bad, imo.

I probably also raise the flop, but I'd raise a lot more. Our raise size offers too good of odds here. I'd raise to about $75 (offering poor 2:1 odds) which will also set up a turn shove.

After this action, I'm guessing I'd just fold. Villain would have to be fairly spazzy to shove Ax hands after all this action. All 3 villains can't be on a draw, plus we still do have the other two to act behind us (who aren't exactly shortstacked).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Implied odds for what kind of flop?:

a) 55x
b) 234
c) A5x

That's about it...and the 2nd and 3rd flops can go bad without too much difficulty.

Really, why are we limping a crappy unsuited Ace OOP in a straddle pot where stack sizes effectively are halved?

Either take control with a well sized raise - or fold pre.

A5 is fine, its top 30%, you can limp that entire range and still be way tighter than most llsnl villains.

I run about a 30/10 in llsnl. So A5o is the bottom of that range. But not A6o and restarts at A7o+.