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06-04-2011 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kablooey
Holy crap.




I am going to hold you to this.




One way to crush live cash donkathons is the Super System Maniac on Steroids Style

This is core to crushing with the other style.




That's because playing 30+% of your hands online is insane.



14/12/4 means you voluntarily put money in the pot with 14% of your hands pre-flop (VPIP); you open-raise or reraise 12% of your dealt hands pre-flop (PFR); 4 means that you bet and raise 4 times as often as you call post-flop, but this ignores all checks and folds.

What would the range of hands be?
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06-04-2011 , 03:32 PM
But not for 10BI consistently.


10BI consistently is a myth. Find it consistently and you will also find the Loch Ness monster, Big Foot and aliens all in the same game.
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06-04-2011 , 05:44 PM
i play with bigfoot every wed... total lagtard easy monies
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06-08-2011 , 04:42 PM
If I tried to apply this to 50bb eff game, I would have to choose SDC#1 b/c #2 wouldn't be that possible since u can't limp that much due to stack sizes right?
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06-13-2011 , 01:22 PM
Didn't read whole thread.

But clearly summarizes live play. Any broadway is good to raise and better if you flop TP. Any pair, any suited connectors are playable, any suited ace also.

I play a style of something like 30-40%VPIP, 20-30%PFR.

I don't know about the 10BI sessions but I consistently win 3-5 BI's and rarely ever loose. I recently started taking notes of my play and my net hourly rate (after expenses) is $135/hr at the 2/5 NL. I've had some of the worst luck ever yet the players are so bad you just can't help but to make money.

On a board of AQ7A, the action goes like this:

Fish: Check
Me: $100
Fish: Raise to $200
Me: Re-raise to $500
Fish has about $550 behind and starts pondering. "I have 2 pairs"... "do you really have the Aaiiss?".

For him two pairs is like a monster (even on a paired board) because you know two pair IS a monster at the Carabean Stud Poker. So the fish goes all in with his naked 7, drawing dead. And my A9 takes $1000 of free money.

This is the same fish that open shoved the nut straight on a dry flop for $800 into a pot of $50 and called down a river bet with pocket 3's on 8-6-9-7-9 (it was good). God I love it when a nit tries to bluff a fish and get hero-called by someone who doesn't know what he's doing.
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06-13-2011 , 03:17 PM
What does SPRs and RIOs mean
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06-13-2011 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Emin3m
What does SPRs and RIOs mean
Stack to pot size ratio.

And

Reversed Implied Odds

I think..
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06-13-2011 , 03:47 PM
Ty
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06-13-2011 , 03:47 PM
Also is this info still good it's from 2 years ago
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06-13-2011 , 04:28 PM
This has been insanely helpful, there is a casino opening a poker room 5 minutes from my house.

i feel ready to take all their manies, and then post ******ed win rations that nobody believes!
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06-13-2011 , 04:30 PM
^^^^^
Sarcastic?
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06-14-2011 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Titaniums
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I play a style of something like 30-40%VPIP, 20-30%PFR.

I don't know about the 10BI sessions but I consistently win 3-5 BI's and rarely ever loose. I recently started taking notes of my play and my net hourly rate (after expenses) is $135/hr at the 2/5 NL. I've had some of the worst luck ever yet the players are so bad you just can't help but to make money.
Where do you play?

And over how many hands and hours have you maintained that $135/h win rate?
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06-14-2011 , 07:02 AM
I'm going to go play live soon and I'm going to try the LAG strat and I'll post results
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06-16-2011 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kablooey
Where do you play?

And over how many hands and hours have you maintained that $135/h win rate?
I am now at $172.70/hr. About 26 hours. I know not much. But I had some pretty bad luck in that streak. Wait till I start running "normal"
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06-16-2011 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Titaniums

I don't know about the 10BI sessions but I consistently win 3-5 BI's and rarely ever loose. I recently started taking notes of my play and my net hourly rate (after expenses) is $135/hr at the 2/5 NL. I've had some of the worst luck ever yet the players are so bad you just can't help but to make money.

I would def like to know where you play/how many hours your sample set is....before i call bull**** on your $135/hr. I've been crushing $2/5 NL over 700 hours or so at $62/hr and that is a HUGE winrate...
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06-16-2011 , 06:18 AM
i guess kablooey beat me to the punch lol, didn't look at the rest of the thread once i saw that post
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06-16-2011 , 07:28 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on whether advice in OP is as relevant now as it was few years ago? I get that a lot of players are still not aware at all, but I have to think that some of the advice is perhaps a bit generalized and overstated at this point?
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06-16-2011 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by phantomlimb
Anyone have any thoughts on whether advice in OP is as relevant now as it was few years ago? I get that a lot of players are still not aware at all, but I have to think that some of the advice is perhaps a bit generalized and overstated at this point?
Anybody observant enough to use the material in OP in a productive manner will, by definition, be able to tell in which game sit is still relevant.
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06-16-2011 , 11:57 PM
I've played live 1/2, 2/5, and 5/10 NL since 2005, and noticed that your average donkey has an unnatural fear of flushes. When the third flush card appears on the board, they are always afraid someone has it. Most will not value bet hands they should - use this to help hand read.

This also presents significant bluffing opportunities. Versus someone reping TP I love to call IP with an OESD, gutshot, or float planning to rep the flush if it comes. The straight draws are exceptionally good because your real outs are more disguised = good implied odds, while your bluff outs are obvious to even bad players.

Another good way to steal pots is one of the following common sequences:
3way flop checked around. If I am in MP or LP on the turn and its checked to me, I generally bet. The cards don't matter. Your opponents have either passed up 1 or 2 chances to be aggresive.
4way flop checked around. Same idea on the turn if you are in either LP.
When making this play, if called OOP this is generally a draw. If the probable draw doesn't complete on the river, fire again.

The raise to 3bb PF is generally weak, take advantage. This is player dependent and requires observation, but most donkeys aren't raising to 3 bbs in EP with strong pairs. They want to "protect" these with bigger raises.

The river check raise is rare. The river check raise bluff is extremely rare. Someone who check calls the flop and turn and then leads river has polarized his range and mostly to very strong hands.
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06-17-2011 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by High__Rolla
I've played live 1/2, 2/5, and 5/10 NL since 2005, and noticed that your average donkey has an unnatural fear of flushes. When the third flush card appears on the board, they are always afraid someone has it. Most will not value bet hands they should - use this to help hand read.

This also presents significant bluffing opportunities. Versus someone reping TP I love to call IP with an OESD, gutshot, or float planning to rep the flush if it comes. The straight draws are exceptionally good because your real outs are more disguised = good implied odds, while your bluff outs are obvious to even bad players.

Another good way to steal pots is one of the following common sequences:
3way flop checked around. If I am in MP or LP on the turn and its checked to me, I generally bet. The cards don't matter. Your opponents have either passed up 1 or 2 chances to be aggresive.
4way flop checked around. Same idea on the turn if you are in either LP.
When making this play, if called OOP this is generally a draw. If the probable draw doesn't complete on the river, fire again.

The raise to 3bb PF is generally weak, take advantage. This is player dependent and requires observation, but most donkeys aren't raising to 3 bbs in EP with strong pairs. They want to "protect" these with bigger raises.

The river check raise is rare. The river check raise bluff is extremely rare. Someone who check calls the flop and turn and then leads river has polarized his range and mostly to very strong hands.
All QFT. Great post!
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06-22-2011 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kablooey
All QFT. Great post!
This may be the best 2nd post I ever read.

I really want to believe theres a magic bullet for these games but I'm just not convinced at this point that it can be done over a large sample size. Unfortunately its only getting tougher with the influx of solid online player.

GS
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06-22-2011 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by High__Rolla
I've played live 1/2, 2/5, and 5/10 NL since 2005, and noticed that your average donkey has an unnatural fear of flushes. When the third flush card appears on the board, they are always afraid someone has it. Most will not value bet hands they should - use this to help hand read.

This also presents significant bluffing opportunities. Versus someone reping TP I love to call IP with an OESD, gutshot, or float planning to rep the flush if it comes. The straight draws are exceptionally good because your real outs are more disguised = good implied odds, while your bluff outs are obvious to even bad players.

Another good way to steal pots is one of the following common sequences:
3way flop checked around. If I am in MP or LP on the turn and its checked to me, I generally bet. The cards don't matter. Your opponents have either passed up 1 or 2 chances to be aggresive.
4way flop checked around. Same idea on the turn if you are in either LP.
When making this play, if called OOP this is generally a draw. If the probable draw doesn't complete on the river, fire again.

The raise to 3bb PF is generally weak, take advantage. This is player dependent and requires observation, but most donkeys aren't raising to 3 bbs in EP with strong pairs. They want to "protect" these with bigger raises.

The river check raise is rare. The river check raise bluff is extremely rare. Someone who check calls the flop and turn and then leads river has polarized his range and mostly to very strong hands.
Sounds like the outline to Bart Hanson's DeucePlays Ep. 43: Draws.

Rep the flush when you're on a straight draw for the bluff and bet huge on riv like your bluffing your missed flush draw when your straight hits. Floating and stabbing pots are also discussed, as are the riv math of draws after calling the turn. Pure gold.
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10-26-2011 , 10:33 PM
The advice from the original Poster is still relevant. I Play 2-5 in philly and plenty of this is how i play and some if it i am more than happy to try and use. I've spent the past few hours reading the entire thread. good stuff
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10-26-2011 , 10:37 PM
Oh and i found this thread by googling "how to crush 2-5 nl"

observation i found hilarious. Online players having trouble transitioning to live bc of all the donks. This can NOT take that long to adjust to. Ive played live for over 10 years so year i get it. But if you just have basic understanding of poker the donk playbook is pretty easy. I also love that there is like zero talk of tells at all in this thread. Which makes sense bc tells outside of betting sizes and i guess time it takes to bet dont exist online. card checking, chip grabbing, fake tells, all of that can hel you even more when used right.
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10-26-2011 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EN09
Sounds like the outline to Bart Hanson's DeucePlays Ep. 43: Draws.

Rep the flush when you're on a straight draw for the bluff and bet huge on riv like your bluffing your missed flush draw when your straight hits. Floating and stabbing pots are also discussed, as are the riv math of draws after calling the turn. Pure gold.
Yeah he is giving these tips on his twitter. He said he will try and give a tip everyday. Same tip venice gave sometime last week.
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