Clarify correct terminology (overplay vs overly fast play vs overvaluing)
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 116
Please help me how to correctly refer to the following player flaws:
(as I am not a native speaker)
Type 1:
Betting so much with strong hands that only stronger hands can ever call.
Examples:
- 3-barreling AA on 987xx rainbow board
- barreling on with a set when an obvious straight/flush (or even 4 to it) comes in
- 3-betting an underfull on the river
Is this overvaluing or overplaying or both?
Type 2:
Raising the virtual nuts so that no draws can ever call ("protecting my hand")
Examples:
- 10x-ing a preflop raise with KK (to avoid A on flop)
- Raising the Turn with trips when a BD flushdraw comes in.
- jamming 1.5pot on dry flop with top pair or better
I always had the impression that this should be called overplaying, but people use that term for different things. So what do we call this?
Type 3:
Frequently calling 2 barrels with 2nd pair or A high.
Should be over-calling, but that term is also used for a second caller of a bet.
Type 4:
Bluffing too much.
This should be easy. Just calling it over-bluffing
Type 5:
Can you think of other scenarios/uses of the words overplay/overvalue or of other terms?
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 195
Type three I think would usually be called a calling station, stationy, sticky, showdown bound, a non believer etc. Over-valuing also works.
Overplaying involves a bet, over-valuing involves a call. That's how I'd separate those. So one and two over playing.
I think?
Most people are going to understand what you mean based on context either way. They're basically interchangeable terms.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 40,336
Overplaying is a specific subtype of overvaluing, involving betting/raising too much.
The Type 2 thing doesn't have a name, as far as I'm aware, but probably should.
3 is "stationing" or similar.