1/3 live.

V1 CO is the effective stack with $289 He plays on the tighter side pre and pretty face up post.

V2 BB likes to call a lot on flop but has a fold button.

H LJ has TAG boardering on lag image.

H opens 87cc to $12, v1 and v2 call.

Flop 6c7hJc

Pot$33.

Xx, v1$32, H$90, V calls.

Turn Td

Pot: $210

H shoves $187.

Thoughts?

We could just check call flop as well.

The jack being a club is definitely a plus for checkraising since he almost never has us dominated.

So I was messing around with Pio and nodelocking and saw if our opponents are doing things like not checking back enough made hands on flop, which I don’t think most people are doing, we should check OOP and then check raise instead of just barreling. If they check flop we also know they are weak and can instead look to delayed cbet. Intuitively that seems to make a lot of sense and it’s something I’ve been thinking about doing more. This seemed like an ideal candidate.

Check is probably higher EV than cbetting imo, question is whether to x/r or x/c

I think it’s fine ap esp with Jc out there

Not sure I understand reason to C/R. Get a few JX to fold?

We fold out better 7x, 88, 99, TT. If they call once that’s awesome since they probably fold turn and if not that’s fine. We either get value from some of his worse one pair hands and draws or we shut out their equity. We are slightly better than flipping against his Jx and we own his Jx if he calls flop.

I’m also probably going to be playing with this guy and a couple others at the table a bunch. I’m happy to show this down because if they always stack off with Jx when I take this line I’m going to be printing.

I prefer a check/call so we have some hands in our check range that can take some good heat.

We kinda get owned when opponent bets twice with a hand that beats our pair that they would fold to aggression, but I think it's a better way to play pair+draw in most cases.

To me the question is if you think that Villain is going to fold AJs/KJs/QJs on the turn, assuming he would have called PF with any of these hands.

I doubt any line is a big mistake with this flop and your equity
But if V2 likes to call a lot of flops, and can fold to future aggression and V1 plays fit/fold postflop shouldn't a double barrel be more profitable?
i.e hands like 7x, 88, 99, TT which you will fold with a c/r do not bet flop at a greater frequency than how often they will call flop and fold to your turn barrel

There is a lot to this spot, and I am not 100% sure how to play it, but I thought i'd just write this up to bring a few points to discussion

I would range villain here as having: 77, 66, 76s, and JT-AJ. Against this range we have 49.17% equity. We can split this range into 2 portion, 2p+, and Jx. Against the 2p+ part we have 39.29%, and the Jx part we have 51.36%.

This seems like a spot where on the flop we are literally both value betting and bluffing at the same time against a J. We obviously have more than 50% equity against his Jx range, and he's really never folding a J to our raise OTF. However, if we are called and the turn is a brick, we can now barrel and most likely get him to fold, and still having really good equity if called.

However against the 2p+ part of his range this strategy seems like it will get us into trouble. IMO most villains as OP described will not fold 76 if the board runs out brick brick, meaning that we lose an extra bet by getting all the money in here against this part of his range. We also are likely allowing him to play perfectly against us, as the only time he will fold 2p+ to us is if we make our hand. This point isn't too relevant however, since considering the removal our hand has there is only 1 combo of 77, 3 of 66, and 2 of 76s, and there are 48 combos of JT-AJ

Overall, I think you played the hand optimally at all points. Pre is obviously standard, and the c/r OTF allows you to take the lead in the hand and force folds from Jx when we brick the turn. This means we win the full pot ($213) 48/54 times when he has Jx, and double up 23.78% of the time when he has 2p+ (6/54 times) when we Gii OTT. 213*48/54+6/54*.2378*289*2-6/54*(1-.2378)*289*2= an EV of +$155, which I think is the best we can do.

However, when we c/r the flop and make our flush on the turn, I am at a loss as what to do, because we're basically forcing him to fold his entire range (which is behind) to us, meaning we lose out on a bet when we are ahead. Do you guys think if we make our hand OTT it is a c/jam, or c/c?

Might only consider checking if in earlier position, deeper, and playing against better opponents. Here, just consider this value and bet value at 1/3 as a default, no need to bet much either.

Fine with your line, I like the x/r here. Fine with shoving turn, you're going to be looked up and beaten a lot but you can't fold to a bet and there's no point checking. Edit: I guess if you check he might check back a jack, I'd rather try to make him fold his weaker stuff though.

I don't think we should have a check call range 3 ways on this board. What would be in it? 88-TT I'd rather either bet or x/f, generally.

Love picking on guys who don't have check/call ranges. Or super weak check call ranges. And it is super common in live poker. Allowing me to over call wider than usual in late position.

This board doesn't have a lot of candidates though. Likely looking at one of our best candidates.

Along with 9-7, 87 non clubs, A7s. If it is in your raising range.