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07-11-2022 , 06:00 AM

CoranMoran

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 249

Setting: Orleans Casino
1-3 Cash Game

Players:
Villains are the typical loose fish that Vegas is filled with.
We all have about $400.

LJ limps 3
Hero has A

in the HJ
- Hero raises to 15 - CO calls 15 - BB calls 15 - LJ calls 15
4 Players
Pot = $61

Flop: 6

BB checks - LJ checks - Hero checks - CO bets 20 - BB calls 20 - LJ calls 20 - Hero??

My plan was to just check-fold this flop.
But now I am getting 6-1 pot odds on peeling one more off.
Is it profitable to do so?

Please advise.

--CM

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07-11-2022 , 06:47 AM

venice10

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,857

Three people are interested in the pot already and you have no real reads on any of them. As far as you know, you could be drawing dead. Fold.

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07-11-2022 , 07:23 AM

Grease

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Even if you spike an A or K, someone could have two pair, a set, a straight, or you have to fade half the deck on the river.

Easy fold.

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07-11-2022 , 11:00 AM

Playbig2000

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c/f otf as played

18/20 pre

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07-11-2022 , 11:03 AM

gobbledygeek

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I limp in until in the CO+ but that's my style, but also fine with the raise.

Easy fold on the flop for me. Our IO suck (are we really going to make up any money against worse hands when an A/K comes?) and so do our RIO (our A/K could give someone two pair / straight and we could already be drawing ~dead).

GcluelessNLnoobG

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07-11-2022 , 11:06 AM

Playbig2000

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I would fold before limping

pfrb

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07-11-2022 , 11:21 AM

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

I would fold before limping

Love to hear the reasoning behind this?

GcluelesslimpingnoobG

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07-11-2022 , 11:26 AM

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Love to hear the reasoning behind this?

GcluelesslimpingnoobG

I don't play fit or fold/bingo with those types of hands. Suited, maybe.

prpb

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07-11-2022 , 11:28 AM

gobbledygeek

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I mean, you seem to be making an argument that getting in a pot with AK that limps around (of course I'm looking to get in a limp/reraise but that isn't always successful) is -EV?

GcluelessEVnoobG

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07-11-2022 , 11:53 AM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I mean, you seem to be making an argument that getting in a pot with AK that limps around (of course I'm looking to get in a limp/reraise but that isn't always successful) is -EV?

GcluelessEVnoobG

You shouldn't limp premium hands pre, especially in position, because that forces us to hit an ace or a king (which in a limped pot still might not even be good) and the odds are against us. Riase to try an get it heads up and then take it from there. I know some people think it's a drawing hand but it's really not if it's played properly (we don't need to hit our draw if we raised pre).

pfrb

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07-11-2022 , 12:05 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

~ wrote up a big blurb but changed my mind as I don't want to derail into the merits / non-merits of limp/reraising ~

My main point was you suggesting you'd rather fold AK before limping it is pretty mind boggling. I mean, it would probably be pretty hard to prove mathematically, but I'd have a very hard time believing that AK is -EV in a multiway limped pot (the "worse" case scenario if our limp/reraise attempt fails).

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

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