I watched this hand, thought it was played face up, but was wrong.

Hero (600 LP): looks like Anton Chigurh. Winning player, plays basic TAG, with a slightly looser starting range resulting in tougher decisions later, but doesnt stray too badly.

V: Canadian Asian dude with weird figits. Almost like he has tourrettes. But its annoying, because I just think he's a douche. Loves shove over percieved weakness. It works alot, occasionally he get caught, but never by a deep stack.
600 deep in UTG+1

Original raiser in this hand is a weak fish in UTG (quickly folds pre)

Hand is raised to 15, V raises to 40, folded to hero who makes it 140 (cold 4 bet), V calls.

Hero: AA

Flop ( ~300) 223
V checks, hero pops 150, V shoves
Hero??
I know what people are going to say.
But hero played his hand face up, and yet V shoves into his face. Can this ever be a fold?

Not folding. V 3! and calls large 4! I don't see how his range connects with this flop, with lone exception of AcKc.

No.

obviously not

definitely not, if he's playing A2s or 33 for one-quarter of his stack preflop then gg

It's just so much more likely he shows up with KK or even occasionally QQ, I am never ever folding here. In fact, the only hand I'm even worried about is AK of clubs, but if he has that power to him, hopefully he misses. If your considering a fold its cause you think he may show up with a hand like 33 or A2, but think about what your hand looks like. Your hand looks to him like QQ or KK so he must think either A) He can get you to fold a hand that has him beat right now. Or B) he thinks KK is ahead of your pocket pair which you have under repped by just calling his 4bet. I think you have him right where you want him in a spot like this way more times than not and your usually printing money. But sadly occasionally people spazz with some weird stuff, trying to outplay you/ who knows... That said get it in here.

Sorry miss read post, villain flatted your 4bet. Makes it more scary but you still can't fold because of how many more overpairs he will still have in this spot, you made this a losing proposition for him even if he stacks you here with a set. Because in the long run he will be burning money against your big pairs trying to set mine for the wrong price.

Helpful to know if you have the A, but no, still never folding with an SPR of 1.5

I wasn't the hero here, I just felt his pain... I know the right answer, I know what I would do with AA here. The bitch of it is, Im pretty sure the Canadian Asian was trying to ISO the fish, got caught, (Thought, **** it) and called. Since Hero's hand here is pretty damn obvious, when Asian check shoves, I wondered if its possible to find a fold.

Canadian Asian flips 33, Anton Chigurh flips out hard.

I hope you weren't the villain...

Come on now Bob, I'm not very good, but I'm better than that!

I spent a few hours following that 3-bet setting mining fiasco thread started by kookie monster.

Definitely don't want to flip out on this hand. Gotta congratulate villain, say nice hand and reach into your pocket. Should be a very profitable table. Otherwise, hand played perfectly.

Villain should have zero 2's and zero 3's in his range so obviously a fist pump call. Expecting to see a lot of random Broadway flushdraws or 88-JJ type hands.

Just a cooler for poor hero. This is simply variance at work, where V made a mistake and got away with it. Mistake = calling large, cold 4! OOP without proper set mining odds.

Guess what? That happens in NLHE, so don't act too surprised. And don't kill yourself trying to reverse-engineer this hand to find a way to justify folding. That's another form of results orientation.

The only way anyone should ever fold here is if hero has enough history with V to know, without any shred of doubt, that V never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever shoves in this spot unless he has a 2x or 33 in the hole.

UL.
I would call.

When u say his shoves over perceived weakness is not always genuine.
I assume you mean he is shoving to opponents' checks?

If so...
C/shoving is different.
I'll make a mental note that his c/shove is different from his shove in respond to weakness.

I give him my money but never make the mistake again of thinking c/shoving is the same as his usual shoves.

Thread is pointless.

This is obviously an easy call as everybody else mentioned.

But if you were in Villain's shoes (ignoring the fact that how the 35% of Villain's stack got in preflop with 33), as played, would you raise or just flat? 33 is the second nuts and it's unlikely that the hero has 22. So why would you give hero a chance to fold?

Raising here to prevent a club or over card on turn from killing your action. Worse case scenario here is you flat, club comes on turn, goes c/c, club comes on river. You bet, opponent has no clubs, he folds. Outside of that, almost all hands that cold four bet pre are happy to get it in on this flop so there's no reason to slow play.

Easy call against an animal like that.
Sounds like some ego tripping gone mad.

NH
Reload
Get it back.

5 star quality response! Agree 100%.

Hope he left his cattle gun at home

Whatever man. I've learned a **** load posting here and reading others thoughts. My game really has skyrocketed in the past few weeks. Every post I make is to solidify a thought, or fix a leak. If you think my questions are stupid, move to another one.

If I was V and somehow made it to this flop (Must be tilting or super drunk), and then out of nowhere regained my senses there's no way I'd shove.

I asked V the next day what the hell he was thinking (In a private convo, not to berate, just to get in his head). His response was, "I know what he has. If I flop a set, I take his stack. Whats the worst that can happen?"

BBV is only a short drive from here.

LOL, math/odds must not be his strong suit.
Ummm... sir, the worst that can happen is you don't hit your set 87% of the time and have an expected loss of $55 on the bet.

Though to be fair to V, I honestly would have thought his "expected loss per hand" to see the flop would be way higher than $55 based on the action, so what do I know?