Never mind the hand. Don't get into fueds with people. Having a bad atmosphere at the table is -EV short and long term. HAS to be FUN for the FISH.

There are plenty of regs at all casinos who are likely to bug the **** out of you but there is never any reason to do anything but smile unless they are actually cheating or something detrimental to the game.

The turn line is just horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible. WTF are you trying to accomplish? What part of her range is ever folding here? Why are you trying to commit your hand on the turn?

I raised the turn because I felt like she literally had zero made hands that could continue here.

I guess that's what I don't understand, if she has no big Aces, no two pairs, and no sets in her range and it's highly unlikely that she donk bets the flop w/ Axs(I think she check calls or check raises much more often then leads into me here) then why is a large raise so bad? I thought I should have had a ton of FE.

Another point I'd like to add is I'm not sure that she limp calls A rag in this spot. there's the drooler in between us, he's likely to call and she going to be oop against two players that don't like to fold w/ a hand that plays awful oop mult iway. Obviously she could but I feel like it has to be discounted.

So to answer your questions, I think I'm folding all of her made hands, of witch there are few, I'm bluffing the turn and I feel like if she continues she only has draws and of those, there's only one that is ahead of me, KTs.

Why do you dislike about it specifically?

I get the feeling you havnt read any of the replys in this thread so far. You're in denial around the possibility of her having any value hands in her range. Ax is so easily apart of her range. Just because you wouldn't play any of the combos in her range this way doesn't mean she won't. I wouldnt fold an ace to your turn check raise either if we had some kind of long standing animosity towards each other, but I wouldn't be in that position because I don't play tilted/emotionally charged poker.

Why do you assume she bluff catches ace rag? She has top pair people spazz donk with this sort of hand oop all the time. Just because a thinking player might take that line doesn't mean she would.

so I can't have AA, JJ, 99, AJ, A9, A4, J9, AK, AQ, AT, even J4s, 44 in my button opening range? And I would often wait to the turn to raise in a heads up pot w/ all of these hands. especially all the big Aces which I'd raise turn to protect equity, charge her likely draws.

really based on her limp calling range pre, I wouldn't raise any value hand on the flop.

What hands would you raise and why?

based on 3 years of playing together.

:grunch:

Raise with QTo is 'meh' with a big donator. Don't mind playing it against him, not thrilled playing it against anyone else looking for a piece of him. Won't hate of the play.

Flop is OK. I don't think she's folding often to a raise so there's little point since we're likely behind her donk range (at least a pair).

Turn is ******ed. You have less equity with your draw, a bull**** line, and a villain that hates you. She's calling your ass all day here. No FE, flat.

River you beat ... what exactly? Having the Qh doesn't help you at all, since it reduces the number of potentially weird FDs that she could have missed with.

Fold.

How the **** is this thread 4 pages long?

Read the thread, understand why it's so long when it should only be about three posts.

OP you're a giant ****ing donkey for playing this hand this way. Then you're compounding it by ignoring everything that everyone's


With a drooler between you and V, she could be limp/flatting a lot of hands hoping that he'll come along and she can get a piece of him with a middle speculative hand. It sounds like she's never believing you OTT, or really in any other pot. I think she'll call you down with *any* PP, and J, and any weak A here.

Sounds like you just want to put her on the flush draw and spite call her so she will explode. I'm all for it bro so go ahead and do it. Just next time don't put this crap in a strategy discussion because your whole line blows and you just really want people to agree or approve of calling because you hate the bitch.

if you think she has a flush draw, why are you only raising to 85 on the turn and not just shoving all in? This sounds like a villain who will continue to chase you if your read is right.

But I think it's absurd to think she has no value hands in range.

She might not have jammed over your turn raise because she may have been thinking you are on a FD and wanted to see a safe river card before jamming.

The line villain has taken throughout the hand screams a "value" hand of sorts much more than an airball less than a Qhigh (which is what you are holding) Now, we can argue to death what exactly her value hands are: is it Ax, is it PP, did she fall on to two pair on the river, etc.

I have also seen alot of bad regs inadvertently merging their value range here out of frustration, dynamics, etc, thinking they are bluffing, where in fact they are bluffing with the best hand.

Calling here is hugely -EV and I would think you need to reassess your logic and fundamentals in the hand