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Can we ever find a fold here? Can we ever find a fold here?

03-30-2015 , 07:55 PM
Hero: 600 loosing image. Had lost a few big pots with big hands today but table didn't see my hands. They just know I put a lot of money in pots and mucked at showdown.

Villain: covers pretty loose and splashy. Limps a lot and seems to call opens whenever he limps. Opening a fair amount also. Just pretty active. Seems to be pretty call happy post flop too, and trappy with his bigger hands.

History with villain, played a bunch of pots with him today and he's pretty much been crushing me all afternoon.

Hand 1. Utg opens to 20, I call, villain calls.
Flop j53 hhh. Utg checks, I bet 40, villain calls. Utg folds
Turn 4 spades. I bet 90. He calls.
River Q clubs. I bet 110 he calls and wins with AdQh

Hand 2 . 3 limps to villain in hj. Villain opens to 35, I call on button with 99. And all 3 limpers call.
Flop K 9 3 ccc
Checks to me on button, I bet 100. Folds to villain who calls.
Turn 6s villain checks, I bet 275. He calls and is all in
River Jh
Villain wins with A5 cc for the flopped nuts.
Hand 3 villain limps in late position I open 20 on button to 25 with Aj off. He calls.
Flop J63 r he checks I bet 35 he calls
Turn 9 completes rainbow he checks I bet 70 , he calls
River 3 he leads 75, I call he wins with A3
So he's pretty much all over the place,
Hand in question
1 limp to villain in cut off he opens to 20, folds to me in small blind I 3bet to 75 with AQ off, folds back to villain he calls
Flop A64 r
I lead 75, he calls
Turn : Q
I check , he checks back. I would normally bet here but I have most of the board and I don't see many hands I can get called by here that just flat a 3 bet pre. Hoping to get heroed by a worse A or pp on river
River : 8
I bet 150, he takes about 20 sec and makes it 300 ?
I'm really hating this spot where I get min raised on river, I don't think this can be a bluff, but can he ever be doing this with worse for value ?@
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03-30-2015 , 08:00 PM
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03-30-2015 , 08:25 PM
Always bet turn against this villain.

You have an insanely strong hand against a station who was calling you down with 4th pair in a previous hand after you double barreled. Don't get cute with your value hands against stations, just bet. I would have bet large on turn and river, never folding after I turn top two versus this villain.

As played...

Based on your previous hand histories, he was calling with weak hands and only betting or raising when he was strong. You also said he could be trappy with his monsters, so he could easily have checked behind on the turn with a set intending to raise on the river. I don't really think this is a bluff, but it would be super difficult to find a fold here. Seems like villain has 44, 66, 88, or maybe even 57. I think you could also throw A8 in his range, so that makes it pretty hard to fold with the pot odds you have. 150 to win 750, getting 5:1. You also showed weakness on the turn so there is always the small chance that villain is spazzing. Your hand is so under represented, I don't think you can fold.
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03-30-2015 , 08:32 PM
I know what this is... hero snaps. V shows 88.

This guy called 2 barrel with bottom pair... Pls bet the turn. Never folding river, also leaving the casino after losing this hand.
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03-30-2015 , 08:41 PM
I think the only 2 worse hands he would raise for value are A8 and AK. He's been running good against u and like u said u had lost some big pots without showing down how big ur hands were. So he may perceive u as a guy who can't fold top pair, or a callin station. But sets are definitely in his range also. With that being said I think u must call, there's just to many hands u can beat and this guy is all over the place.
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03-30-2015 , 08:48 PM
I assume you didn't show your hands the previous 3 hands. if so, given history, turn is the easiest bet ever!

Flop: A bit more, 85 - 90 is good
Turn: 170
River: Shove

As played, 150 to win 750 with top two on this board, just gotta call.
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03-30-2015 , 08:57 PM
If you bet the turn you may have a chance to fold the river, not that I would. As played you are always calling the river. Hopefully Villain sees you as weak due to the fact you never checked to him previously.
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03-30-2015 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GoingOrganic
If you bet the turn you may have a chance to fold the river, not that I would. As played you are always calling the river. Hopefully Villain sees you as weak due to the fact you never checked to him previously.
I know not betting the turn here is a mistake, and I rarely take trappy lines like that. But I don't see how that possibly gives a chance to fold the river.
If I bet turn and he raises I'm probably just shipping it in, and feeling pretty good about it.
If I bet turn and he flats, Im just moving in on the river.
So I'm not sure how we get a chance to fold by betting turn.

I feel like my mistake of not betting turn is actually the only way we get a chance to fold
Since when I don't bet the turn, lead river and get min raised that's pretty scary since he can't be expecting me to fold, so it has to be a raise for value and I'm not loving it because there aren't to many value hands I beat except for a worse aces up. But it seems so nitty to fold top two here in a 3 bet pot
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03-31-2015 , 01:19 AM
This is exactly why FPS on turn is bad.
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03-31-2015 , 03:21 PM
I don't think having the board locked up is a reason not to bet. If you think he's never calling with worse than don't bet. On the river the only draw that was there on the flop 75 gets there. Why would you assume that all of a sudden he's calling 150 now with hands that he would've folded on the turn?

If you think he's never calling with worse then why do you think he's raising worse?
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03-31-2015 , 10:26 PM
So we have a villain that called 3 streets with a one card Q high flush draw, check/called his nut flush and then open limp/calls with A3 and calls down with bottom pair to the river. You then justify your turn check with
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I would normally bet here but I have most of the board and I don't see many hands I can get called by here that just flat a 3 bet pre. Hoping to get heroed by a worse A or pp on river
I hope you can see the logic fail here. Villain has already called two streets in a previous hand with bottom pair, Ace kicker. You really expect him to fold any piece of this board? This is a value bet dream scenario and you passed it up.

As played, I call the river and expect to see a range of {A4, A6, AQ, A8, 44, 66, 75, 86} I expect to be good >50% of the time.
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04-01-2015 , 12:09 AM
bet turn for value every time - even against someone who is not V. but especially against V.

call river, then don't necessarily leave the casino, just get a table change and once you have it, go take a breather.
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