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01-26-2024 , 11:16 PM
Hi,

this hand from a 2/2 €, effective stacks +/- 500 €

Preflop
hero : UTG +1 : TT, black tens : bet 12 (standard at the table)
CO : somewhat loosy goosy, aware of what's happening, certainly evaluating opponents hand ranges. call, all others fold
pot (28)

flop : 9c8h6d
hero : bet 16
villain : call
Pot (50)

Turn 8s
hero : check
villain : bet 32
hero : call
Pot (114)

River Jh
hero : check
villain : bet 100
hero : ?

thanks in advance
B.
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01-27-2024 , 12:17 AM
Villain being loose really doesn't convey enough information. How loose? What are his postflop tendencies? What kind of hands is he showing down when he bets for value? Has he shown down bluffs?

People end up with weird things here. You double block JTs, QTs (not as relavent if he is playing offsuit versions of those hands). People will still value bet 9x here. 7x missed. So I lean towards calling.
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01-27-2024 , 12:28 AM
Seems reasonably played. I vote call.
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01-27-2024 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
Villain being loose really doesn't convey enough information. How loose? What are his postflop tendencies? What kind of hands is he showing down when he bets for value? Has he shown down bluffs?
he tends to play too many hands preflop but in the last hours went a tad tighter.
it was a 7 hour session, where the first hour he showed up with all kinds of sheit to become tighter to throw off people.
He is definitely not scared to call with too many hands (instead of raising or folding).

I am unsure about my turn check. He definitely has a nut advantage - I have very little of those (99 exclusively mesa thinks), but I am unsure who has the range advantage I feel like I could have all of the overpairs, which I actually do btw, which makes a smaller 40 ish % bet in order ?.
I really struggle with that decision, as it does open up bluf opportunities while a A, J and a Q can significantly hurt my hand.

Last edited by forceonature; 01-27-2024 at 05:59 AM.
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01-27-2024 , 06:19 AM
I'm somewhat tempted to play the flop as a check-raise but interested in other people's opinions on that.

I would also slow down on the turn. Board is getting rather dangerous.

River is close, I'm leaning fold.
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01-27-2024 , 06:33 AM
CR seems good if villain isn't passive.
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01-27-2024 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
CR seems good if villain isn't passive.
Villain is active, so gotcha. Create a balanced CR range.
But is a check-raise in order is he has the nut advantage ?
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01-27-2024 , 10:16 AM
Don't mind a x-raise on flop, or a block bet on river.

As played, once we check turn, feels like we need to call the river bet. V could have some 9x, some 44-77, and some total air.
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01-27-2024 , 12:35 PM
I’d call. He either doesn’t realize J9 < QQ+ or he’s clicking buttons/soul reading you for TT/9x with his JT, but he should have enough 7x/randos to make the call profitable.
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01-27-2024 , 02:10 PM
I probably look him up.
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01-29-2024 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
I’d call. He either doesn’t realize J9 < QQ+ or he’s clicking buttons/soul reading you for TT/9x with his JT, but he should have enough 7x/randos to make the call profitable.
I folded only to get shown Ac4c for a bluf.
His reasoning being : you are able to see the board is in my range, and I can easily have the world here and just call - double barrel.
My reasoning : his flop call indicates at least a marginal hand, his river bet indicates a polarized ? hell no it's depolarized because of the flop call, 78 got there, 75 7T has me crushed, all those boats out there, let's just fold.

But in the end, I never took all those 7x into account, making the winning one out of three just probable enough to make the call. I think I agree with you. Seeing all the other call votes, it just seems nitty. Also, Soul read TT with a J value bet ? improbable.

I regretted my fold, hence the post.
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01-29-2024 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forceonature
I folded only to get shown Ac4c for a bluf.
His reasoning being : you are able to see the board is in my range, and I can easily have the world here and just call - double barrel.
My reasoning : his flop call indicates at least a marginal hand, his river bet indicates a polarized ? hell no it's depolarized because of the flop call, 78 got there, 75 7T has me crushed, all those boats out there, let's just fold.

But in the end, I never took all those 7x into account, making the winning one out of three just probable enough to make the call. I think I agree with you. Seeing all the other call votes, it just seems nitty. Also, Soul read TT with a J value bet ? improbable.

I regretted my fold, hence the post.
When you check turn, and then check again on river, you're inducing him to bet, and he's going to have a lot of bluffs and worse hands for value.

Depending on the rank of the cards and the pre-flop action, checking turn when the middle card on board pairs is fine, because he could have a lot of 2nd pair in his flop calling range. A lot of competent V's will stab here, without actually having it.

When you check-call the board-pairing turn, it sets up a choice on the river - block-bet for value, check-cal, or check-fold. Here, against a reasonably competent but loose V, with our specific hand, I'd prefer a block bet to check-calling or check-folding, but check-calling is preferable to check-folding. There just isn't that much in his range that beats us here.

Last edited by docvail; 01-29-2024 at 10:49 AM.
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