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Calling to a chop - how often do I need to be right? Calling to a chop - how often do I need to be right?

02-26-2024 , 04:11 AM
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

V - Asian man I've never seen before. Tried to get fancy with him earlier and found out he's super sticky. (HH below). He's been calling off with 2nd pair okay kicker for half his stack, calling x/raises. He's just calling a lot. His betting range seems to be value. One good TAG x/raised semi-bluffed him over pot OTT on a Ad-9c-3s-9s board with 78ss. V called with a naked A and lost when river brought the third .

HH - Folds to V who limps CO, folds to H in BB who pops to 15 with T 2, V calls, HU. Flop - Q 6 3 I cbet 15, V calls. Turn 4 (seems like a good barrel card), H bets 30, V calls (okay shutting down), River total brick like 3. H x/folds to V's 2/3rds PSB.

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Couple limps including V, H opens A Q in CO to 20 off 400 eff stack (V covers), only V calls in MP, HU IP.

Flop 40 - A 6 4

V checks, H bets 20, V calls.

Turn 80 - K

V checks, H checks back

River 80 - 6

V leads 80... Hero?
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02-26-2024 , 06:08 AM
i dont think you're calling for a chop as theres some bluffs he could have and id not fold your hand ever with a spade. if you're looking for the math here assuming you only ever chop or lose, pre rake you're calling 80 to win 40 (because you get half the pot when you win) so you need to be chopping 2/3 of the time? i think thats right
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02-26-2024 , 07:09 AM
I would just bet the turn, your hand can go for 3 streets on some runouts but you forfeit that by checking.

Exception is if he was somehow checkraising turn too often, but that seems unlikely based on what you said.
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02-26-2024 , 12:43 PM
Bet the turn. As played, call. If he got there w/ a 6 or checked spades on the turn, so be it. Seems like the perfect player to call here, but bet the turn!
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02-26-2024 , 02:04 PM
I'm calling. Vs a villain this sticky I would probably bet the turn too.
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02-26-2024 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
V - Asian man I've never seen before. Tried to get fancy with him earlier and found out he's super sticky. (HH below). He's been calling off with 2nd pair okay kicker for half his stack, calling x/raises. He's just calling a lot. His betting range seems to be value. One good TAG x/raised semi-bluffed him over pot OTT on a Ad-9c-3s-9s board with 78ss. V called with a naked A and lost when river brought the third .
Calling turn with any A on that board doesn't sound too insane, depending on what the action prior to that was.

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
HH - Folds to V who limps CO, folds to H in BB who pops to 15 with T 2, V calls, HU. Flop - Q 6 3 I cbet 15, V calls. Turn 4 (seems like a good barrel card), H bets 30, V calls (okay shutting down), River total brick like 3. H x/folds to V's 2/3rds PSB.
Dude, seriously, WTF were you doing getting so out of line there? You're torching money.

Just check pre. Check / check-call flop. Check-call / occasionally check-raise turn. Mostly check-fold / occasionally barrel river.

If you're gonna raise with T2s from the BB pre, just check this flop and make a delayed c-bet on the turn if action checks through. If anyone bets flop, fold. If your turn bet gets called, just check river.

And people hate on my HH's...

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana

Couple limps including V, H opens A Q in CO to 20 off 400 eff stack (V covers), only V calls in MP, HU IP.

Flop 40 - A 6 4

V checks, H bets 20, V calls.

Turn 80 - K

V checks, H checks back

River 80 - 6

V leads 80... Hero?
PRE - seems fine.

FLOP - seems fine against most V's, but against this V, we can probably bet full pot.

TURN - keep barreling. Bet big. If he calls, check-back river.

RIVER - As played, the way you've described this V, I think we have to look him up after we checked-back turn.
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02-26-2024 , 06:04 PM
Thanks for the advice guys and gals. I'm having a rough few weeks.

Result:
Spoiler:
I call his PSB OTR he has J 7
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02-26-2024 , 06:24 PM
Oof. Yeah, hands like this, I can see why it's been a rough few weeks.

My observation with the middle-aged and up Asian guys, especially the ones who don't appear to have grown up in the US, is that they're loose-passive pre, and pretty loose-sticky post, but when they have it, they bust out the coming-for-your-balls cutlery.

East-Asian cultures put a big emphasis on luck, so many Asians will chase more of their draws, even getting the wrong odds, and will bet huge for value, expecting that the good-luck of making their hand will likewise come with the good-luck of their opponents having a hand strong enough to call a big bet.

Also - East-Asian cultures tend to view anyone who isn't East-Asian as being less intelligent, so their playing style and bet sizing assumes their non-Asian opponents are going to make big mistakes often enough to give them good implied odds to chase.

The adjustment I make is betting huge with thick value and my highest equity draws against them, but otherwise going into defense / showdown mode with medium-strength hands on later streets, especially the river.

They're not paying off thin value bets with weak hands on the river, so we need to get max value on the flop and turn.
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