just sat down at the table 20 mins ago, so not much real history with anyone

villain 1: mid age strict by the book type of player, always bets when he has something and fold when he does not (a bit over 200)
villain 2: young Asian guy, never tangled with him too much post flop, the only two hands we played he quickly mucked both after the flop. (400)

Hero image at the table: table just saw me 3 bet from the blinds with J9s, been active, raising a lot pre-flop. (270)

Preflop:

straddled pot, villain 2 limped in from UTG+1, hero in mid position raised to 12 with 10 9 trying to jack up the pot with my suited connectors. folded to villain 1 in the big blind who made it 32, and villain 2 cold called his 32, so I called behind.

Flop (100):
10 7 4

villain 1 checked, villain 2 led out for 100, hero called, and villain 1 quickly folded.

Turn (300):

Q

Villain 2 shoved and put me all in for the remaining 140..call or fold??

Note: I am new here.

I'm folding here.

Villian called a reraise and then led out on both the flop and turn. Easy for him to have over pair to flop and I actually might even put him on AQ here.

You obviously have something if raised, called a reraise, then called a bet on the flop, and I'm sure villian knows this BUT he still shoves turn. I say you're behind.

not a fan of the small preflop raise vs a straddle ($5?) and limp

folding flop to the potsized bet

fold



it's not close.

I don't really get the PF raise, and the call after it was reraised to 32 and called by someone else. I'd fold on the flop. We don't even have a good kicker, we only have a pair, we don't have a fd, and we're not even last to act when we do call. Also, if we call on the flop then we would have put almost half of our stack in the pot with a pretty weak hand, and it would lead to situations like the one on the turn. It's not surprising that villain #2 shoved after our call on the flop.

No idea... call now?

Remind me to not play poker with you anytime soon..lol

I was the villain 2 in this hand, was just wondering if my shove really made sense on the turn.

Are the reads also switched, as in, are you (having been the one to shove the turn) also the one who has shown down 3b bluffs/splashing around? Because I'm never folding the turn against a person with that image when I have to be good <1/3 times, and the turn adds a bunch of draws. If V2 (you) is the accurate description of you (which I think it is IIRC?) then it might be a LITTLE better if you haven't done anything crazy yet, but again, all of this is pretty spewy readless.

A lot of this hand would come down to how decent villain is. Does he understand pot odds? Does he think in terms of ranges? Is he going to "Put you on AK"? Have you seen him call flops and fold turns before, or does he just call all the way down once he's put money ITP? Can he make a lay down? All of these things are super important... As well as our actual hand (do we have anything with any equity, or complete air? It's a lot better to make this move with something that has overs/can pick up lots of backdoor draws, like AK or something).

Also, if your plan is to bet/shove OTF/OTT, don't pot the flop. Typically, you'll get the same folds from fit or fold players with $70 OTF as you will for $100, but it sets up for a much better shove OTT ($170 into $240) which will have much more FE OTT. Depending on what your hand is and what you think your opponent's range is, have a specific set of turn cards you are going to shove on and give up on, also. Don't just bet the flop and commit yourself to making a kamakaze move.

all in on th flop... don't know what youre thinking but call is beyond terrible

ok. so here's how the hand actually went down:

Villain 1 is the same guy, bets the nuts only and just two hands ago I called out his hand exactly down to the suit. I have a very good read on him (200)

Villain 2 : few rounds ago, tight player opened UTG +1 for 10, I called on the button for 10, and he 3 bet to 20 in the blinds with J9s..his bet sizing was so apparent, he would c-bet 10 into 40 when he doesn't have a hand and 20 into 35 when he does..etc (270)

hero: table image at that time was solid and nitty. They didn't know that but I steamed off 200$ a few hours ago at a different table and had been playing very tight since..(I cover)

Preflop:

straddled pot, hero limped from UTG+1 with 6 7 (table was pretty passive, the last two rounds of straddle there were a few limpers and hadn't been a raise in sometime) villain 2 from MP raised to 12 ( I instantly put him on suited connectors trying to jack up the pot)
folded to villain 1 in BB who made it 32, and I cold called.

Now, let me defend myself here. I had a very good read on villain 1, his entire range there was AK, he'd make it 40-45 if he had AA or KK, and he'd just call with all other pairs or AJs type of hands. his bet sizing there screamed AK, and I just went with my read. so my situation was that I had one guy who I have position on with AK, and a guy behind me with suited connectors. I cold called hoping to see a dry board and take it on the flop.

Villain 2 called behind

Flop(100):

10 7 4 rb

decent board for me, pretty dry and no A or K, and I hit mid pair.

villain 1 checked to me confirming my read of AK, so I decided to pot with my mid pair hoping villain2 had missed as well and take it right there, and villain 2 flatted behind me.

I put him on a 10 at that point and maybe by some chance he decided to chase with a hand like 89, and debating what I should do on the turn.

Turn (300):

Q

good card for me, I could shove here to rep JJ or maybe even AQ (not likely but it's an over card to his 10), so I instan shoved and he tanked and tanked..came close to calling, but folded.


I know my call pre-flop is really spewy in most cases, but right there I just had a really good read on both villains...my plan was to bluff most dry boards on the flop and that's how it went down.

fold pre, fold flop, fold turn, fold river, fold after river

the actual hand, fold pre, c/f flop, what are you doing, none of this makes sense

so youve played with villain and seen him 3b enough times to know exactly his sizing with what hands? no you havent. l/c a 3b oop with 67s is terrible, especially with stack sizes, you could make an argument if you guys were say 250bb deep or so, but now with these sizes. otf youre turning your hand into a bluff im assuming? to fold out 88/99 only? because villain isnt going to fold 10x or JJ+ or 89s. so u have somewhat of SD value so just ch it

I can almost guarantee your reads aren't as good as you think they are. Players are SO bad at 1/2... They don't have a set system for their bet sizing besides whatever the hell they decide it is on a whim on each street. Sure, you can narrow their ranges, but you'd need a very large sample size to pin ranges down to one hand, or "he bets 1/4 pot when he missed."

A lot of villains will show up with Tx, JJ, 89, or even QQ here almost always, and won't be able to find a fold. The spot is just a little too marginal for my liking... I wait for better spots to bluff.

wtf are u potting if u think they missed.

villain shouldn't fold anything on turn once he calls flop pot given stack sizes.

and preflop is terrible.

I don't understand the small preflop raise. A limp, a fold, and a large raise could all be appropriate here depending on the table dynamics. Since you raised it, you were then forced to make a decision for a large portion of your stack with only 10 high (in only a 3 way pot).

On the flop, you are either beat or he is beat. Raise all-in or fold. You only have 140 behind and there are tons of scare cards that can come. Heck, a raise will get some players to fold a 10 there or even jacks. BTW, I fold the flop without much hesitation.

You should have stuck with being the guy that played the 10-9 because this play is even worse. Please rewrite this with yourself now being Villain #1 so that we can all admire your good play against these two donkeys.