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Call aggressive opponent with trips on river after showing strength with player behind? Call aggressive opponent with trips on river after showing strength with player behind?

03-26-2022 , 04:33 PM
I'm going to tell this hand from V1 perspective since in this particular hand has a tougher decision than Hero

Blinds 5-10
Hero (1800): BTN Hyper aggressive image. Makes moves when he senses weakness on opponents. Can randomly raise with draws and gutshots, but usually slows down if opponent show stength back unless he has value. Can 3 bet light in position and sometimes 3 barrel bluff with air. Consintent winner in the room
V1(2000) BB: Solid opponent leaning more to the tight side. Rarely makes bluffs, usually bets for value. Can c bet bluff some times. Has hero called Hero before in some small pots and was right. Right now he is playing very conservative
V2 (2500) MP: Classic action fish. Rarely wins in the game. Likes to make big raises, call with gutshots to draw out. Calls on the river more than he should. You usually need to value bet him unless you have a good read on him

OTH
Folds to V2 who raises to 40 in MP, Hero calls in the button and V1 calls in the BB with Tc9c

Flop (125): QhTh2s

V1 checks, V2 checks and Hero checks

Turn (125): Ts

V1 hitted trips and check to trap. V2 bets out 75, Hero thinks for a moment and raises to 225. V1 decides to call and V2 instant calls

River (800): 4d

V1 checks, V2 thinks for a moment and bets out 350. Hero thinks for a good moment and goes all in for 1450.

What should V1 do in this situation? Call or fold? Hero has a lot of missed draws in the turn that he can turn into bluffs. But trying to bluff a calling station in this spot with 2 players behind may be suicidal
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03-26-2022 , 04:58 PM
V1 should call, neither BTN nor V2 line makes a lot of sense other than a strangely passive flop play with JT, and not everybody made trips here and no way someone flops a set and gives a free card to the turn. V1 looks to just be bluffcatching which is fine, V2 looks to be pot controlling with a hand like JJ maybe, and BTN looks to be completely FOS on every street.
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03-26-2022 , 06:25 PM
BTN looks like he’s got some very thin value with AT or a missed flush draw. V1 should call blocking the Tx with his T9. Nice hand by V1 assuming he calls.
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03-26-2022 , 09:25 PM
If he thinks you're capable of having bluffs here, he's gonna have to call. And based on your image you described of yourself, I probably would even worry about the fish behind me too much.
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03-26-2022 , 11:28 PM
So you are calling with T9 after calling station bets out on the river and tight player is also behind?
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03-27-2022 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by braedie
And based on your image you described of yourself
I heavily dismiss these claims any time they are mentioned in a HH. You rarely know how people perceive you, especially low limit live players who have wild superstitions and other nonsense ideas about the game. I've been labeled a maniac for raising my first 3 hands in a row and a nit for folding for an hour. I've had 2 players argue with each other at the same table about which I am "nah man he's wild!" because I once x/r shoved a combo draw, or I'm a nit because I mucked JTs faceup when 3 people went allin pre.

Unless you legit have a stone cold crazy image built upon repeatedly showing bluffs or coinflips, OR you literally play a calculated VPIP of 10 you have no idea what your image is to most players at the table.
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03-27-2022 , 12:41 AM
I'm going to tell this hand from mods perspective since in this particular hand he has an easier decision than me. Locked.

As for the hand, everyone should just go all-in at any point on the turn and see what happens.
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03-31-2022 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
I'm going to tell this hand from mods perspective since in this particular hand he has an easier decision than me. Locked.

As for the hand, everyone should just go all-in at any point on the turn and see what happens.
Wow, why so much hate in the post? I was looking for objective advice
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03-31-2022 , 03:28 PM
The action went as follows:

Spoiler:
V1 tanks for 2 minutes and folds. V2 instant calls with QJ. Hero shows KcTc and takes the pot

I posted the hand because I was curious how V1 folded the hand against a player with that aggressive image and wanted to see if anyone in this post would take that decision too.
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03-31-2022 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by luz4ggro
The action went as follows:

Spoiler:
V1 tanks for 2 minutes and folds. V2 instant calls with QJ. Hero shows KcTc and takes the pot

I posted the hand because I was curious how V1 folded the hand against a player with that aggressive image and wanted to see if anyone in this post would take that decision too.
Good fold by V1. Either V2 or Hero can have Tx. Neither player should have worse than a 9 kicker as played.

Can’t believe V2 called with that. Amazing.
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03-31-2022 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by luz4ggro
Wow, why so much hate in the post? I was looking for objective advice
Not hate, just thought it was gonna get locked bc it's similar to a reverse HH. Also, you likely didn't get too much of a response for that same reason.
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03-31-2022 , 05:23 PM
The post really is a complaint about not getting paid off with what YOU perceive to be a hyperag image by a hand 'as strong as trips'. The fold is pretty standard from V1 if his perception of you is that you have some idea what you're doing even if he thinks you're a monkey.

The way I read the hand when you initially posted it was that V1 can simply identify you have few bluffs (and your line is polarized) because of your line and his awareness that you are stomping the fish AND your awareness that he (V1) is NOT a fish/is solid enough. You checked back the flop limiting bluffs, then raised turn on a middle card pair, then got COLD called by V1 "I have a ten a lot" and then ALSO shoved the river after the fish bet. It's a very value heavy line that legit should NEVER be a bluff. It all seems as standard to me from a hand reading perspective as having an OMC open UTG for 10x.
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04-01-2022 , 07:45 PM
I would fold as V1. On the turn we are facing cold calling a raise that’s basically a double pot sized bet in a multi-way pot. What worse hands are we calling with here not even closing the action?

We face the same situation on the river. Now ranges get significantly tighter yet again. We have two opponents who have shown nothing but strength and we are getting an awful price.

I don’t think call is completely crazy, but it requires a bit of a parlay. We need V2’s bet to be a blocker with worse, which would be weird, and then we need hero to be making a move.

Without a good read on both players, I just fold.
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