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04-17-2017 , 06:09 PM
Villain $5000 - asian lady who has been up for days playing 2/5. She is pretty active, and seems to be hitting hands, although is defiantly capable of bluffing and putting in massive stacks to put people to the test. I've seen her bomb $3000 on the river as a pure bluff vs another big chip stack, who called her LOL.

Hero $1000 - Same session as the 66 hand that flopped a set and got out drawn on by the Ah4h - so i'm stuck a bit, but not too bad. Maybe down $700 - $1000.

Hero is SB

Villain is UTG+1 and opens to $20
2 calls from mid position and I call in SB with AT

$85
24Q
I check
She bets small - $35
1 call
I make it $135 - I could of flatted but wanted to take the initiative, this flop is kinda hard to hit, and I don't think i've raised once in the whole session so I should look pretty strong but also probably have a lot of nut flush draws in my range.
she calls
Fold

$390
5
I go $175 to make it look like i'm setting up a river shove
She goes all in
I fold

She claims she had a set of QQ but not sure if I believe her. Maybe AQ or KK

Pretty gross - think I butchered this hand? I was really upset about folding my equity.

Last edited by djevans; 04-17-2017 at 06:15 PM.
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04-17-2017 , 06:23 PM
If she legitimately had QQ then she knew exactly what you had and didn't want you to get there without risking your stack. Good fold imo.
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04-17-2017 , 06:39 PM
Turn sizing was horrible.
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04-17-2017 , 06:40 PM
Either pot it planning to call off the rest, or crai, or chk/call.

I don't really like the flop c/r either. You're getting a great price to call, and someone who frequently bluffs is more likely to expect you to have exactly what you have.
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04-17-2017 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
Turn sizing was horrible.


What would you have made it?


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04-17-2017 , 11:42 PM
There is merit to raising flop and trying to just take it down with that dead money, I give you that. But my first thought is to call flop. You keep more worse flush draws in her range and can stack them on later streets if hits.

And tbh imo she played it like a set. You're right, it hard for people to hit this board - especially if you have top set.

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04-18-2017 , 02:14 AM
I could think of a lot of hands you have here that would just love to see an Asian woman on a 72hr degen sesh ck shove turn. With that being said, this particular nfd is a nice ck-back ott (once raising flop).

I'm nearly always flatting my whole c-range otf against a deep, aggro player with bluffs and a player in between.
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04-18-2017 , 04:06 AM
You should flat the flop. Problem with c/r is that you rep a pretty narrow range. You're basically saying you have 44 or 22. If you c/r every NFD that's going to be way too many hands. I'd prefer to c/r A3ss and A5ss which have the capability to hit hidden hands and over-realize.

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
I could think of a lot of hands you have here that would just love to see an Asian woman on a 72hr degen sesh ck shove turn. With that being said, this particular nfd is a nice ck-back ott (once raising flop).
Hero is SB.
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04-18-2017 , 08:22 AM
I think I flat the flop and eval the turn. Gonna be tough for you to rep much otf, but there's gonna be a lot of non spade turn cards where I think you can x/raise and rep more. Also you don't box the other V out otf when he has spades and you sometimes get to cooler him.
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04-18-2017 , 09:02 AM
does anybody like a 3bet pre to 115
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04-18-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
does anybody like a 3bet pre to 115
Seems like a decent hand to squeeze with.
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04-18-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
You should flat the flop. Problem with c/r is that you rep a pretty narrow range. You're basically saying you have 44 or 22. If you c/r every NFD that's going to be way too many hands. I'd prefer to c/r A3ss and A5ss which have the capability to hit hidden hands and over-realize.
Agree that c/r NFDs that have wheel draws is better. I also like a flat otf to keep yourself a bit more uncapped (you have middle pairs and weaker queens that way and might even play a set this way). I prefer a turn c/r, especially if you improve to a pair or gut shot (any A, K, J, T, 3, 5). If she ships it, I think you have to go with it, especially if she's aggro and could be doing it with a naked Q.
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04-18-2017 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
does anybody like a 3bet pre to 115
this was my 1st thought about the hand.

as played:
agree with everyone saying overcall flop. problem is when you hit spades you're not going to make much more. however you're getting such a good price you don't need to.

don't love either option on the turn. check seems better against a bluffy villain, but again once you check-raise/check your hand is face up.

if you had value on the turn, you would prob make a bigger bet, since FDs are only going to pay off turn and there are plenty of action killer rivers. OTTH, against this vill you actually might be best served to setup a bluff situation on the river, so you might take a more pot control turn line to give her more implied fold equity on the river for her to bluff at. that said, in order for her to read this bet as massive strength, she has to be extremely self-aware and thinking on the 4th level (both unlikely). so, if you want to bet you need to bet as though you have 44 and not go small with it.
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04-19-2017 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
does anybody like a 3bet pre to 115
Seems fine if she's opening wide enough from EP or if we have fold equity. But if she's gonna peel a lot pre I'd rather flat. Do you think if her EP opening range is pretty tight that this could be a fold pre? A lot of times I find myself with a hand like this vs a tight range and think in my head fold, but it's so hard for me to fold a suited broadway ace lol.
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04-20-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by water69
Seems fine if she's opening wide enough from EP or if we have fold equity. But if she's gonna peel a lot pre I'd rather flat. Do you think if her EP opening range is pretty tight that this could be a fold pre? A lot of times I find myself with a hand like this vs a tight range and think in my head fold, but it's so hard for me to fold a suited broadway ace lol.
given that she cbets less than half pot here, I think it's safe to say that she's going to make it profitable to call pre with ATs.
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