Villain is a decent internet-type kid...definitely TAGish but leans toward playing a bit nitty at times. Doesn't seem to get out of line at all. Sitting on $300. I've got $500.

He opens in MP to $8. I call in the HJ with 66. The Button and BB also call, both with ~$250.

Flop: ($33)

Q96

BB checks, Villain bets out $20. I raise to $80. Button and BB fold. Villain considers for ten seconds, then just calls.

Turn: ($193)

4

Villain check.

Hero???

bet $100? I'd call any of his raise. A heart on the river would be gross.

I think there are many hands in his range you beat here; would help determine his range if you know his pfr amount tendencies. Probably overpair/TP/AK with a nut draw?

Seems like an easy b/c for $110. You bet to charge draws and get value from Qx before a scare card comes. You call because you have 20% equity against a flush and will be getting the odds if he shoves for $100 more. If he were lag you could check behind to induce. If he had $500 stack it would be a b/f.

I think he has the flush already or at least has the A

If you consider folding because you think someone has a made flush already then you're just being too nitty. You will never win.

If villain has Ax kx this is definately a standard c-bet. It's $60 to call into a $130 pot giving him the odds of 2-1 to make the call.

Villain has $210 behind, why not induce a shove by betting $85-90? We're still offering him unfavourable odds to hit the river?

never fold always b/c in this spot. AhQ/AAh/KKh/Ahx/KhQ these hands are almost never folding. yea he has flush here at times but i think nut flush mostly if he does have one. u have outs, its 150bb live which isnt deep IMO. never folding always getting it in in this spot

please bet this pretty hard like 140 range on the turn, these type of players usually will 3bet the flop if they have you beat fearing getting drawn out, unless they flop the nizzles which isn't often.

think villain has AA QQ KK or AQ all of which with a heart WAY more often than QQ or a made flush, your equity on the turn just went way up, value bet.

If a set is winning on this board, then making villain committed by betting $140 is not an effective value bet.

Imo we bet smaller and give the illusion that villain can still see a river card without committing, whilst at the same time giving him unfavourable odds to do so.

I expect villain to fold those hands about 0% of the time regardless of our turn bet.

have to be carefully here how small you bet if you bet 1/2 pot your are offering him 2-1 he has as many as 11 outs with many of those hands and we aren't always going to fold the river if some of those hands hit so he gains implied odds. so there is a pretty fine line there, he will still call a smaller bet which is still a small mistake bit he is going to call a larger bet very often which is a big mistake.

After stewing about the action so far I am probably going to b/call this turn for a couple reasons:

1) I think villain bet/3b the flop with larger sets. because of the equity he still has when we flop flushes. It also protects his hand from being drawn out on wiht hands in our range (AhQx type hands)

2) Made flushes are part of his range, but there are some combos decreased because of Qh, so it leaves us with AJhh, AKhh AThh (under the original assumption villain doesnt get out of line preflop from the MP)

3) It charges and puts him to the test with AhX, AhQx, overpairs, overpairs with a heart.
So in conclusion, there is stil hands that will call that we beat and will also charge his value hands OTT to make a call with worse.

Curious, is $8 standard for the table or smaller than average. This is important to ranging him IMO.

I often see people doing $7 raises in ep/mp with drawing-type hands. I almost never see good players making these small raises with big hands. So if the standard raise was $12 and he makes it $8, I'm much more worried about random hands like Kj or JT or something. Less worried about AK-type hands.

I still bet/call this at the table though. Don't be shocked to see the nuts or something though.

Villain probably has AhQx or KhQx. I would go for a vaule bet on turn to deny him a free card. Then, if he calls and no heart comes on river, ship. If you calue bet and he goes all in, you have tough decision. If you check behind on the turn, he won't put any more chips in unless a heart comes on the river.

you have one option. bet.

I'd also just call preflop. Easy setmining implied odds, could create a multiway pot, we're in position, etc.

I also raise the flop, but probably to $90 just to offer sucky 2:1 odds for something like overpair/overcards with big single card flush draw. Also sets up slightly easier PSB shove on safe turn.

Villain has about a PSB left on the turn, so I think a shove is the only play.

ETA: Wow. I'm the only one who thinks a PSB is the only play (especially made easier if we hadda raised more on the flop)?

An $8 pre-flop raise was this player's standard open.

So no one thinks it interesting that with Villain's stack size, he only calls my raise? I was thinking that with either the A or K of hearts, he'd think about shipping pre-flop. The call screamed strength to me.

Results:



I felt like I had an opportunity to slow down on the turn and didn't take it. In hindsight, this was a decent player who would not call my raise pre-flop with a draw. Maybe an over-pair, at worst. He might've shoved the flop on a draw, though.

Everyone is saying to stack off, though, and that's pretty much what I did.

I think his preflop/flop play is easily consistent with AA/KK/AK/AQ with a big heart. I play the turn exactly like you did.

Tough to say with out a better read on the situation but I bet out about 100-125. Here's why...if he's drawing you are giving him the wrong price to call, if he goes over the top and you think you're beat you're still getting a good price to call his shove to hit your 10 outs. But my read as written is he's drawing with AhQo

Super cool to be reading this considering I'm him. I had A8hh btw but same thing w/e. I was hoping I had a more laggy image in your mind considering I've 3b you more than most people, but that's fine. So...when I cbet there my range gets slightly smaller considering there are 4 of us in the hand and I'm oop to two of you. I'm folding so many hands to your raise that I think your read is dead on. I'm probably raising a naked ace of hearts. When I flat there you're dead a ton of the time. You obv don't know me well enough to assume this, but I would put myself on a set+. I know how aggro you can be and how easy you can get away from hands. This is just a pure trap. We had perfect stacks for you to shove all blank turns. Had I known your hand, we could have gotten it in otf? I do think it's a cooler though either way you spin it. The games are so passive there it's fun when you're at my table. I like how the game dynamic changes and I've definitely tightened up when you're at the table sometimes. A couple of times there's been another sick player in our game, my buddy dale (he won a Venetian deep stack the other day). Feel like its +ev to nit it up a bit in those situations.

^ wow what are the odds villian finds this thread

3:1? :P

He played the nuts perfect. Tell him nice hand and take a mental note

Wow, what are the chances that he's competent enough to think on that level? Solid post by villain. GG to another 2p2er and move on lol. Your line seems alright though.

Sounds good to me, book it!


I also agree the hand is a bit of a cooler.