Hi,

Charity Room 1/2 game. 6:00pm. Game was playing pretty passive, some button straddles have picked up the action a little bit.

Straddle is not on this hand

Hero UTG (22y/o white kid, reg in the room, capable pre and post, but a little more aggro pre > post ~650) Limps 33

UTG+1 (Middle aged guy, tilted, can be spewy, ~120) Limps

UTG+2 (Middle aged guy, readless, ~90) Limps

MP (Middle aged guy, typical limp too much, not open enough type, ~140) Raises to 12

BB (Mid-late 20's white kid, seems okay. Played about 2-3 hours with him lifetime, he's too passive pre and post but def has a clue, ~375) appears to have a decision between folding and calling (maybe between 3b'ing and calling tho?), finally elects to call

I call, limpers call

Pot (~60)

Flop: KT3

4 checks, PFR bets 15, BB makes it 50, Hero? We do not get it all in otf...so eventually I will have turn action/decision as well that I'll post.

But I'm wondering,

A. Cold call, B. 125/stack off or C. Something that's not A or B

Thx

Check OTF is very bad, imo. b/3b much better. This is a disaster if it checks through, and any real hand will certainly raise a percieved blocking bet, making it much easier to gii.

AP, you are playing against BB only basically. $150 and GII on all turns if called.

Easy shove to me.

I'm raising pfr all in. I'm not risking another spade killing my action.

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Hey man. Tough spot all the way around. However, I'm a fan of raising, rather than cold calling. There are a ton of terrible turn cards, and I think that you get action from FDs and maybe even AK.

Defy in for results.

You aren't aggro pre if you open limp a pair. Bad read on yourself. Can raise pre but just fold. Too many shortstacks and players that will (in this case) correctly call your raise with any two suited or connected.

As played once raised fold. Raiser has 70bb. You are cutting the mathematics too fine here.

On the flop, just raise. Anything else is wrong on all levels. A cold call looks very strong, and any real hand (about 99% of his range) that will pile more money in on a blank turn will call a flop raise. 125 is bad because it lets him draw correctly to flush or OESD. Just put him all in. You want to rep a flushdraw gone beserk, and that's how you do it. You don't have a raise fold range and anyone can work that out.

You rep one value hand only and you have it. Let him decide.

Just strikes me as a massive shove. Just raising again seems fine to me, with the intent to jam any safe turn card if called.

175 then shoving all turns if it doesn't get in otf

Disagree with Czech on this one. Calling the raise is ok because and only because) the BB who is also deep called.

As for this, forget safe cards. Jam any. Even if he caught a straight or a flush, we have boat outs.

Check is bad. Bet out 45 on the flop and then if raised you can set up a shove. As played raise to 140.

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Given preflop action, I range BB to AK, TT, AsJs, AsQs, discounted KK, AA, KQ, KT.. QJ extremely discounted. He flatted a tight opener's raise.

Do you think he will fold AK to a shove here? If not, shove. He doesn't have enough marginal hands in his range that need two streets to tease.

Fair point Garick. I just think he doesn't have enough one pair hands he will stack off with post for us to call. Now we have the magic K on board a big part of his range that we crush will do exactly that.

Open limping is absolutely AIDS.
I hate it always. It's horrible.
Moving on..
I love leading on this flop and always 4b all action behind me.

Ap. always raise here. Up against relatively small stacks most big flush draws are calling get it in ahead.

(Please stop open limping)

Leading is the best option in hindsight, agreed.

I think preflop is fine. I'm aggro in MP and LP and vs limps and stuff and probably still open from early a lot more than most, but I think opening 33 UTG at 1/2 is something you should only do if you hate money. It has basically no playability OOP 4-6 ways which is what's gonna happen a lot. Limping 22-88 and some weaker suited aces, medium connectors etc seems fine/relatively standard in passive LLSNL live games.

And yeah as Garick said I'm calling pre exclusively because BB comes along, very easy fold if not.

Czech Rays I agree 125 is too small and that I don't really have a raise/fold range here. The smaller sizing I proposed stems from me formerly being an online player and wanting him to perceive some fold equity/weakness or room to play a turn or river, as well as encourage him to call with Kx. This feels like a LOT to just pile in otf tho, but I know a decent amount of villains will level themselves into stacking off sorta light, putting me on a draw, so it's probably a cool idea vs some.

X2

pre is fine

try to get it in on the flop. 125 is probably to small.

X3

I'd prefer to lead that flop for 45 or 50.

As played, if you cold call, it's probably going at least three ways (having trouble following the action), which is not ideal.

I think I'd raise it to 150.

You can limp 33 UTG and still be an aggressive player. Settle down.

I used to feel this way, until I figured out that raising 66-22, A9s-A2s from UTG or UTG+1 kind of sucks most of the time, as does folding them.

There is nothing wrong with limping up front. If you're getting raised every time you do it, stop doing it, or mix in a monster.

I don't advocate open limping in MP or later, but from EP, I have found it to be beneficial.

You found yourself a good point just in your OP ... The BB had to tank a bit to call the opening raise AND he is the only stack here that can really hurt you. So you really need to open the betting here on the Flop hoping for a 3-bet opportunity.

I dont like to sit on my hands here with so many in the pot unless you are 100% certain that OR will c-bet. Nothing about your spot is fun right now.

Call ... more will call ...
Raise ... tons of short stacks with nothing to lose ... which is fine, but why face multiple hands
Shove ... shorties may still call and BB either calls with better or you are =EV in the side with his combo draw.

The only goo thing about getting it in here is that you do pick up good odds to hit a full house unless JJ is out there in BB.

I re-raise to 115 and consider folding to BB if he shove Flop ... but I probably call anyway. GL

Yeah I more feel the way the last poster does, where this isn't necessarily a luxury spot, and that his gii otf range is probably KK, TT, discounted combo's of KT (think he and most people call these otf if I 3b) and some RFD/NFD combo's (also get called sometimes rather than piled).

3b/call is still best because he's gonna continue with worse some decent % of the time and probably not 4b ai so much. And when he does 4b ai I'm still gonna have 80% equity sometimes, 65% equity sometimes, and 4% equity pretty often.

Results: I kinda put him on Kx, didn't really want him to fold Kx, didn't really mind one of the shorties behind getting it in, thought he would bet the turn 100% of the time, and cold called.

Turn: 5x, he x/f's a King to my $95

Oh and next time I definitely need to not just check flop in flow (was towards end of session and I wasn't focusing as much as I should have been) and lead instead.

you checked to c/r

c/r to 160

this will look very strong but flatting is bad bc so many cards will kill action and or put your villains ahead


that is why i would lead out for 45 and not check