Effective stacks: $2,200

Hero (SB): Sat down not too long ago, probably perceived as internet TAG.

Villain #1 (MP): Loose-bad player. Limp/calling almost every hand. Overbetting pots and chasing draws with terrible odds.

Villain #2 (CO): Loose, semi-aggressive player. Probably playing something like 50/25. Limp-calling a ton too but raising a decent amount. Has been active postflop, making expensive raises and calls but hasn't gotten to showdown yet.

Villain #3 (BTN): Tight-passive.

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Hero holds QJ

Preflop: V1 limps, V2 limps, V3 raises to $35, Hero calls, V1 calls, V2 calls.

Flop ($140): J67

Hero bets $75, V1 folds, V2 raises to $210, V3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn ($550): J677

Hero checks, V2 bets $450, Hero calls.

River ($1450): J677T

Hero checks, V2 bets $1100, Hero ???

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Fold pf. Tight passives don't raise with hands you want to play QJs oop. If you believe V3 was raising a wide range, 3bet.

As for the donk bet on the flop, just flip your cards over next time. You told any thinking player what you had. Check the flop.

As played, you're being taken to value town. If you're not folding the flop or turn, you might as well punish yourself by calling the river. Then next time you'll remember to fold pf. If you got lucky and the villain was bluffing on river with a broken FD, well good for you.

Pre is fine, but after getting raised on the flop you have a pretty easy fold. Really expecting for villian to have boat here.

I don't think the donkbet necessarily puts our range face-up, but you should size it bigger so that it's harder for people to float you or raise with weak draws since any weaker jack is coming along anyway.

As played its a pretty easy fold, we don't even have a BDFD.

I fold this pf.

Don't donk the flop and when raised (the raiser isn't the pfr!) fold flop. You have basically very little equity if behind without any backdoor draws and you are going to face spots like this very often.

Pre is marginal. Check flop.

I think pre is a pretty clear call given sizing. If I donked flop it would be to b/f.

They call it "donking" for a reason.

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I think OOP deep with a RIO hand against a strong PF range there is little reason to get involved.

Flop lead was a mistake against this line up. Would only be good against stations. MW I think you should generally have a very strong leading range, like 2pr+ and big draws, basically hands that don't mind a raise. Here if the PFR has a Q you are behind, he isn't giving you more than one street if that with 2nd pair, and you have a known aggro player with position on you.

As played, if you stove your hand against his raising range of all FDs, 77, 66, 67 you are close to even money but with him having position he will be able to play later streets much better than you. Especially since he will know your range is capped if you just call.

For this reason as played OTR I think you should call, but it's close since you have no showdown info on him. Basically while I don't think you should have gotten here, you have a capped perceived range against an aggro player who can have busted draws, so those things make me think bluff-catching here makes sense.

Never folding pre with suited broadways and a likely 4-way pot. Man you guys are nits! Fold flop - you're usually flipping or crushed and you're OOP with terrible RIO. Turn is fine. River is a fold against most - better reads would help a lot.

+1


Flop is a fold FWIW

Is the fact that you are never folding them PF meant to suggest that it's +ev to be playing them OOP w/o initiative? If so, why do you think it's +ev (them being pretty doesn't count)?

Pre is debatable. I don't hate the flop donk but I could go either way there. Definitely fold to the raise though.

I'm sure that it's +EV for me to be playing QJs OOP in a 4-way pot in a 5-10 game and if it's not for you then you probably shouldn't be in the game. I think it's +EV because we've seen two weaker players (including a massive fish) limp and an unimaginative btn make a small raise. Playability-wise we're in good shape vs the two limpers and I expect us to outplay them post, even OOP. Given the small raise Btn's range shouldn't be too strong either. We're often good when we flop TP and our straights and str8 draws are always to the nuts and with a Q-hi FD I think we're more likely to dominate other Fd's than be dominated.

yeah lets fold QJs when there are two fish in the hand 200bb deep and one person makes it 3.5x after two limps. sounds like a great plan there.

Suggesting fold pre here as a standard is insane. Why would we want to fold suited connected Broadways deep against two fish?

That said, if you're going to call down a CR flop turn and river when you hit one pair with this hand you should definitely fold pre. Realize that this is not a hand you are trying to make top pair with. In this spot donking out is horrible. You need to be trying to keep the pot small oop with a weak and vulnerable hand 4-ways.

As played, I think you have to fold turn when he fires when the board pairs as it makes it less likely he was/is bluffing and it implies to me we are more likely to face a river bet. Without more specific reads (we are looking for info on his semi-bluffing and barreling tendencies), I would even suggest folding flop.

Your main mistake was donking. Don't bloat the pot here.

this, lol......fold flop, fold turn, fold river though

Fold pre-flop? wtf where do you guys even come from

Not sure how many are aware of this, but qjs is 40% of a royale flush, and a royale flush is the best hand in poker, much like a royale with cheese is the best burger.

Folding pre is absurd. And I'm pretty damn tight out of the blinds.

As played, fold to the flop raise. Continuing at that point is suicidal. If you hero called him down and he had a missed draw then good for you, it's still going to be -----EV to play the hand that way.

well if you call this river, you should be folding preflop.

The donk is good though. If your hand is face up when you donk here, you're doing something wrong.

Just don't order one with bacon .

To those advocating postflop folds -- what is villain's range?

66/77, 67, J7s, quite possibly J6s or J7o (he's 50% vpip you said), and a bunch of strong draw combos. You're in awful shape against that range.