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01-22-2013 , 10:09 AM
I have 77 in the small blind I limp after 4 others limp. Flop is j j 7 . I check as well as the others. Turn is 5 . I bet out 7 dollars, big blind calls as well as one other person. River is A . I bet out 15, big blind raises me to 40, other guy folds.

He has about one hundred left, and I have him covered. He has been loose and I did not think he could fold a jack. I tank about one minute and go all in. Is this the best move for value?

He thinks for about a minute and tells me he has a weak J and folds. I did not think he could fold a J here. Does anyone make a smaller raise? I guess he has to call a min raise if he has a jack.
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01-22-2013 , 12:10 PM
If you put him on a jack then just bet/bet/bet dont ck flop... I think v made a mistake by folding... if the pot was bigger by the rvr v may have felt pot committed and called your ai.
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01-22-2013 , 04:22 PM
Limping pre flop is fine I guess, although a little weak (what was the table like? Was there a reason to limp?)

Since everyone limped, there is a good chance someone limped with a J. They could end up getting there so you want to make them pay for it. I am gonna bet out on this flop nearly every time. I always like to bet on flops that are paired, so no reason why I wouldn't do so when it hits huge. You will build a bigger pot and win more here. Just watch the players and see if the turn card could be in their range and if they show interest. AJ is unlikely if they limped (unless they limp with big hands previously). And J5 is a little loose even for Limping standards, so I would be more weary of a turn/river 8, 9 or 10.
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01-22-2013 , 06:55 PM
I think you are called by A5 often enough that when you run into AJ you are still EV+ with th river shove.

I don't know how V doesn't bet the flop with his trips. I don't know why he raises the river if he's not prepared to call the rrai. Maybe it's a leak of mine, but if I really don't know where I am (as V) on a river like this, I just call the non-scary bet and take notes.

After you scooped your chips, I do hope you told him you were sure your Ace-rag was good..
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01-22-2013 , 07:19 PM
shove is fine given his stack size and bet sizing
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01-22-2013 , 07:35 PM
Why would you shove? Just seems like a super strong move that gives you fold equity when you have a hand that crushes equity wise. Just make a bet that a
Allows him to shove over you or allows him to make a crying call. Very rarely do people like to end their night getting out kicked so just bet like 2/3 of his stack and you'll get more calls and more shoves.
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01-22-2013 , 08:29 PM
I dont raise 77 out of the small blind, leak? I felt like if I bet out post flop only a J or pp and maybe an A was calling me.
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01-22-2013 , 09:31 PM
Why bet so small on the turn? Pots 10...I go 10 at least. Im not saying to bomb 30-40 into a limped pot but 10-15 gets called just as much as 7. On the river go pot to slightly over pot.

Maybe no one has anything but I still think you have to try to build the pot with a monster.
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01-23-2013 , 03:46 PM
Preflop seems standard.

I just donk the flop. Let's get on our way to stacking a Jx, otherwise we could still get some action from gutshots or non-believers. If stacks are such that having a street check thru doesn't allow us to eventually get stacks in then I want to shoot myself in the face.

As played, I also bet the turn but I probably overbet it in order to try to start building a pot quicker thanks to my flop mistake.

When two people call the turn, I probably just overbet shove the river at this point. I'm simply hoping one of them got tricky with a J. Otherwise, no draw came in and this A will probably scare away any other hands for even a small bet anyways. Even the $15 bet into ~$30 is lol too small; are we looking to get paid off here or what? As played, very easy shove after the raise.

Not a fan of how difficult we made it to get chips in on the river with a nutty hand due to poor checking / bet sizing.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-23-2013 , 03:53 PM
in a 5 handed pot donk out 1/2 pot

if its 3 way or heads up then check bc you have the deck murdered probably

so ya river- shove
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01-23-2013 , 06:40 PM
you played the hand correctly.

You’re in the small blind and limping here is good. Checking the flop is also good because you’re first to act. If someone has a jack they will probably bet, if not it gives them a chance to pick up a pair on the turn. Turn bet is good makes it look like you have a paired 7 or 5. If someone has a jack they will raise you here. By making a smallish river bet you induced the loose player to try to bluff you. Good play.

And yes always go for max value and shove on the river with that stack size just in case. An opponent in this situation is going to either call or fold regardless if you min raise or shove for 100 on the river.
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01-23-2013 , 08:53 PM
u obviously lost this hand, thats why ur asking. but how can u fold this hand?
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01-24-2013 , 06:36 AM
I lead the flop also. Even a small bet OTF makes a huge difference by the river. Quite often Villain is as likely or more likely to put you on a J if/when he bets and you call his bet any way. When we lead the flop they frequently will put us on a 7 so don't worry about trying to "trap".

If no one can call OTF that's life we peobably weren't getting much value anyway... but we need to start building a pot for the times they can call.

As played though I'd go ahead and jam over his river raise as you did. Any raise you make looks strong so if he is calling a mini raise he is probably calling a shove a high percentage of the time.
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01-24-2013 , 07:04 AM
all in, steve
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01-24-2013 , 05:28 PM
I won the hand, just wanted to know how to get the J's money in on the river.

I dont agree that making a small bet on the flop helps, only a maniac will lead out in the small blind two streets on a JJ7 flop, without a J or 7...
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