just sat down at a table and have basically no postflop reads on any players yet.
6 way bomb pot where each player puts in 10$.

JcJd4c(60$)
SB(hero) checks
checks around to HJ who bets 70$
SB(hero) calls
everyone else folds
Turn 9c(200$)
Hero checks
HJ jams for 210 and hero covers


what does SB defending range look like on the flop. What about the turn. I folded J2o face up OTT and everyone thought it was insane, but I thought it was a trivially easy fold. if MDF is distributed around evenly across each player, I only have to defend with trips and flush draws OTF and OTT I can start folding all of my trips without a high club I think. Am I the fish or was I in a good game and should be playing more bomb pots in the future?

Multi-way bomb pot SB defending range. Not a thing.

I was referring to defending in the sense of meeting MDF.

Let's cool things down and avoid the insults in the responses.

The main lesson to learn from this hand is not to show you can make a big lay down. Just muck your cards. You've taught any good player that they can make you fold a big hand and they will put you to the test a lot.

I just sit out bomb pots. They are great for the room because they maximize the rake while minimizing any skill advantage one could have. Many rooms with automatically "run it twice" to double the rake. But I'm there to win money. Lots of other people are there to gamble and bomb pots allows them to do it.

Shouldn't the rake gathered by the house be pretty inconsequential to our decision to play? If we think we can beat the rake normally, why would that change if just ante into the pot immedietly? Is preflop edge enough that you think it makes the game unbeatable without it? If anything, I would think bomb pots would limit rake because pot is basically guaranteed to hit the rake cap.

It is actually a lengthy explanation but the considerations are:

1. You wouldn't be in this pot pf if the bet was 10 and you had J2o most of the time. Therefore, you wouldn't have contributed to the rake.
2. The SPR is less than 5. My skill edge decreases as the SPR gets smaller.
3. Bomb pots tend to felt players. The winner is going to be the one who got dealt the best hand, not the best player. The losers often decide to take their chances instead at blackjack or roulette.

ive shown a bluff once. cost me fold equity the rest of the night.

ive shown a big laydown once. people bluffed me more the rest of the night.

why does it matter though. Do we think that people are getting gun shy on bluffs that are theoretically correct that they will then choose to go for? Do we think that people are folding bluff catchers with good blockers because they think we're never bluffing? I don't get why this really matters too much.

because either 1 of two things tend to happen

1) people play tougher against you
or
2) you think people are playing tougher against you and you level yourself.

winning poker is about deception and information. if your opponents have more information and deception than you (real or perceived) they'll beat you.

FWIW, my guess is that bomb pots are welcome by players who have a huge skill advantage over the field when playing deep, due to bomb pots typically resulting in getting lots of chips on the table (especially in smaller capped BI games).

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It is so hard to bluff in a bombpot. You are facing 8 other uncapped ranges. It had to get through everyone. Is villain bluffing with Ac4x? Probably not. He probably just has AJ honestly, maybe a jack and a club.

I would call AJ and better. KJo is close. So the cutoff is probably KJo and QcJx or AJ and KcJo. Depending on how tight villain is.

There are so many offsuit hands possible that I would not be as worried about flushes. Especially considering the urgency in which villain is betting here in flop and turn.

I think bomb pots can be very profitable. Just realize that your value threshold is much higher in a bomb pot. You want to mainly play really nutted hands and get paid off by fish who don't understand the value thresholds in bombpots.

It is definitely insane to show everyone when you make a big laydown.