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01-24-2023 , 10:11 PM
380 effective, 1/2 with 5 straddle UTG.
88 in LJ, two limps, I overlimp, SB raises to 35, I call
Flop AK8 two spades, he bets 20, I call, turn Kh.
He checks I bet 100, river 7c, he checks I bet 75, he jams, I call.
Thoughts on riverÖ is it even a value bet at that point? V is tighter with open raises and seems competent, hasnít gotten out of line so far. Maybe fold to a jam? No flush on board.
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01-24-2023 , 10:38 PM
Raise first in to $30 pre.

Flop is fine.

Bet less on turn.

Bet more on river — I think the only size that makes sense given the stack sizes is to jam which is just about 2/3 pot.

AP on river you only have to call a 1/3 pot all-in ($150 into $475, so getting over 4:1?). Seems like a no-brainer call given the price. He could be raising Kx because you bet a small size on the river, or you run into a rare bluff that you induced by using small sizing.
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01-24-2023 , 11:28 PM
raise preflop to $30.

as played raise flop to $60-80 and get him to start shoveling chips in with a worse hand. IMO you should be almost all in after the turn.

that turn sucks though. i mean if he doesnt 3b AQ you beat nothing that will call any substantial bet. so in this instance then yes check turn, check riv.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 01-24-2023 at 11:35 PM.
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01-24-2023 , 11:33 PM
What is the range of the SB? Does he ever raise KQ/KJ from any position?

If no, I'm looking to get to showdown at the turn as he has a condensed range of hands with only a few combos of AQ that we beat that would also call a bet.

I would have raised pre, as played raised flop, as played check back turn, as played check back river.
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01-24-2023 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
raise preflop to $30.

as played raise flop to $60-80 and get him to start shoveling chips in with a worse hand. IMO you should be almost all in after the turn.
I agree raise flop. At the turn, why would we be looking to GII (especially as played). What range are we targeting? Do we think as described, V has a lot KQ/KJ in his range? He has 9 combos of AK, 3 of AA, 1 of KK and 12 of AQ. If he has AQ we are not getting all his chips. If he has JJ-QQ he's giving up on the turn. The only way we want to shovel chips in is if we think he can have KQ/KJ in his range.
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01-24-2023 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
I agree raise flop. At the turn, why would we be looking to GII (especially as played). What range are we targeting? Do we think as described, V has a lot KQ/KJ in his range? He has 9 combos of AK, 3 of AA, 1 of KK and 12 of AQ. If he has AQ we are not getting all his chips. If he has JJ-QQ he's giving up on the turn. The only way we want to shovel chips in is if we think he can have KQ/KJ in his range.
sorry should have clarified

purpose of the flop raise is to plan to try to almost GII in on most turn cards

however that particular turn i think we have to abort the plan and check back
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Yesterday , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1

that turn sucks though. i mean if he doesnt 3b AQ you beat nothing that will call any substantial bet. so in this instance then yes check turn, check riv.
It’s not a 3bet pot, it’s a single raised pot. He opened pre over limps. I would guess he has AQ in his range.

SPR is a bit over 2 on the turn and we beat a ton of hands that bet flop and check turn, like AQ/AJ — that’s 24 combos there.

We lose to maximum of 10 combos of boats/quads if he always traps with AK+ like this on turn.

The small bet on flop looks a bit more like AA if I had to guess, since AK needs a bit more protection. We may lose to fewer combos if that’s the case,

We should be betting for value turn and river, if we are indeed ahead of such a good chunk of his range. If you assume he would often limp behind AJ/AQ pre, I can see the point, but, I’m not sure that’s the case.

Last edited by ChaosInEquilibrium; Yesterday at 01:19 AM.
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Yesterday , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Itís not a 3bet pot, itís a single raised pot. He opened pre over limps. I would guess he has AQ in his range.

SPR is a bit over 2 on the turn and we beat a ton of hands that bet flop and check turn, like AQ/AJ ó thatís 24 combos there.

We lose to maximum of 10 combos of boats/quads if he always traps with AK+ like this on turn.

The small bet on flop looks a bit more like AA if I had to guess, since AK needs a bit more protection. We may lose to fewer combos if thatís the case,

We should be betting for value turn and river, if we are indeed ahead of such a good chunk of his range. If you assume he would often limp behind AJ/AQ pre, I can see the point, but, Iím not sure thatís the case.
yeah this is correct, basically ignore my posts ITT lol
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