Hero Btn (2400): Hyper aggressive image. Winning player in the room. I've been seen making really aggressive plays in the past so I get a lot of value of made hands. I got respect from both players, but V1 tends to hero call me a lot
v1 MP (1800): Owner of the poker room. Very loose and aggressive player. He likes to level against me. We bluff each other a lot and play some crazy hands from time to time. He tends to overcall me thinking that I'm always bluffing.
v2 CO (1200): Professional poker player. Very good TAG. He knows when to put pressure on opponents and likes to play against him. He usually reads me like a book so I'm really careful against him. I try not to get out of line with him unless I have a really good hand or a line that makes sense. He is by far the best player in the room.

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Blinds 5-5

I have a 10 button straddle. V1 raises in MP to 40 (standard raise when there is a straddle). V2 calls, I have A4 and decide to call in the button

Flop (130): 552

V1 C-bets 100, v2 calls and I decide to call. V1 can have a very wide range here. He can be c-betting with almost any 2 cards in that board, even without position. V2 knows V1 is not that strong so he is almost sure calling him with Ax, Kx or any over pair. He might also be floating him. I decide to call since my call looks very strong and I can have an opportunity to bluff them out if I don't hit my hand since I know they are both not that strong.

Turn (430): 8

V1 checks, V2 check and I bet 320. V1 instant folds and V2 starts thinking for a good moment and decide to call. I betted this turn because I really though both of them where weak and my range is very much leaning towards 5x or some overpair.

River (1070): T
V2 checks, I think for a moment and decide to go all in for 740. Why did I go all in? I'm pretty sure that V2 is weak. I think he has Ax or some type of weak pair. Also my range is looking very strong towards 5x or a full house since I would have played it exactly the same way.


Did my line make sense? Looking for your thoughts

Your line isn't terrible, but with your image it might be -- bluffing this board against the best player at the table probably isn't a good idea.

I could get away with it, as could GG, but I don't think he'd try

V2 looks mid PP heavy here. Not sure with your image it’ll get through. V1 shouldn’t give you a lot of 5 in your range and you should be 3b’ing big pairs pre so probably right to call with just about any 2p hands. Of course if you have a 5 or a FH you get paid but that means bluffing might not be a great idea.

With your image, trying to run over the best player at the table doesn't seem like a profitable long term strategy...but good luck!

And, if all the players are fairly loose pre-flop, I'd say they're all equally likely to have a 5 here...not just you.

Image plays against, so if you think he thinks you would take this line with A5s/56s/54s/TT/99/88, fine with the bluff.

That said, this seems like a good spot to 3B pre, going after the extra dead $ IP.

Given your descriptions of V1 and V2 ("He tends to overcall me thinking that I'm always bluffing" and "He usually reads me like a book"), I'm almost certainly not bluffing the river. I'm fine with the turn bet but probably give up once you get called. Everyone knows you're capable of floating the flop and bluffing turn when checked to -- when I'm in your opponent's position I'll often take this same line (just check/call turn and river) with e.g. overpairs if there's a player like you behind me.

Not sure what you are representing other than air and my guess is the villain is thinking the same thing. I guess you found out who is more macho.

Line seems pretty bad. Just the initial call on flop seems pretty dicey and based on villain descriptions in op neither of these guys seem like easy targets to bluff.

I guess most people in this forum am calling me with any pair in this spot. That means that if I decide to not ever bluff in this board and only play the top of my range I will get value from everyone?

Anyways, the action went as following:

Feel like it's sorta pointless to post this hand when you clearly have ton of dynamics with both players so makes it kinda lol to analyze when you end up getting called down by AJ.

Flop call is std drawing to effective nuts with bdfd IP.

Turn is interesting when checked to. You mention V2 can be as wide as Kx? wtf he's not floating Kx 3ways without closing action, idc how wide V1 is. Also you haven't done any analysis of his range. What is the lowest PP he 3bets pre? I'm assuming he 3bets TT, what about 88? Obv it matters a lot in this river spot. What about 65s? A5s? What is V2's range pre? you haven't really said anything about this which is kinda lol. Maybe just do some basic hand analysis instead of going straight into all this meta stuff...

At a glance, not too excited about river bluff, V can clearly go call turn/call riv with some middling pair against you with the described reads, and can have 5x pre I'm assuming, and 88. We block Ax floats...

Also turn sizing seems questionable...like if your read is both V's ranges are weak then why not go 50% or something...

I'd definitely be doing this against this villain and the other players at the table for a while

Villain's call is ballsy and good but he'll be thinking that you're only playing trips + or a bluff this way...not any 2 pair/mid pockets and you'd 3 bet a bigger A so...he got fat value from you.

definitely worth picking your bluffs very carefully if you have a 'Hyper Aggressive Image'

He 3 bets TT+, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ. Sometimes can 3 bet JT, J9, 98, 87 when in position. He will call with lower pairs to look for a set. Yes, we are blocking Ax floats, but he it's not impossible for him to have it. I'm really leaning towards having AT+ or a pair on the hand. But I didn't feel he was strong enough to call me down so light at the river.

Does it mean that I'm getting value from every single one of you with a real hand? I guess I might stop bluffing this spots and getting max value

No, your play does not lack effectiveness necessarily vs. random population. Plenty of ppl are folding all non-nuts on river or whatever vs. your max pressure. But you're not playing random pop, you're playing your opponent.

I don't think anyone here is discussing the merits of V's play per se. We are saying that given the reads you described, we'd prefer a river check. And going forward you should defo reduce bluffing frequencies in all spots vs. this opponent.

If you only play the top of your range, you're always going to get value from everyone. That's not as much of a "gotcha" as I think you think it is.

When the maniac cracks AJ high he deserves to get paid

lol

Showed the thread to the guy I played the hand with. This is his analysis:

"Yeah funny hand. I remember it. I really didn’t think you bet hands like 33 for value against me in that spot. You honestly almost gladly just check call those hands. Makes your range more like 5x+ or bluffing with like two overs and missed straight draws. But I also had live read and you def didn’t have any kinda nutty hand lol so basically yeah snap call against two overs and missed SDs. Also some levelling involved where it’s kinda clear Mike didn’t have much and you know I called him cuz that was clear"

I think this analysis is fine by good player

Preflop: Would strongly lean to 3 betting to try to knock out good player who capped his range with flat call

Flop: Pure call seems good

Turn: Betting seems fine some of time, I don't like your sizing at all though, would be using a much smaller sizing here to leverage your positional advantage, don't want to get check jammed here and its a multi-way pot which forces guy in middle in bad situation with middling hands

River: No **** you aren't betting 33 for value on the river. Think you have few value bets here (ATs that floated flop and went for it since you seem insane, 99, A5s, 54s, 22, 88, TT). You also don't have that many bluffs. I probably lean to only jamming A4 of spades/hearts to block 54s/A5s not that I think it matters so much since don't think he xc 5x much on the turn, but moreso so you just keep your frequencies in-line since it sounds like you overbluff every spot

A3s is better bluffs than A4s since you never know if youre going to pip him, and then if you floated 76s KQ types you have those also (which seems possible given your player type)

So I think I give up here but wouldn't lose sleep on it either way